Wakeskate raley

AndyAndy · Addict Joined: 09 Aug 2004 Posts: 660 City: cutchogue

Im going out tomorrow to start working on raleys and am going to start by trying a few wakeskate raleys. Does anyone have any tips to help make this less painful. Also, is it possible to land on the skate when trying this, because i have some serious landingonthewakeskateparanoi. Thanks

ontrider · Ladies Man Joined: 30 Jul 2003 Posts: 16491 City: Russia

You should fly way past the skate, don't worry about it. And just pull in and land feet first you'll be fine.

Robert Harp · Guest

holy crap this is a good idea to take the pain down when trying new tricks... I'm gonna buy a wakeskate now.

Jensen · Posted: Jul 31, 2006 11:25 pm Post subject:

ya, you'll go past the skate, i love the wakeskate for bailing and trying inverts, the falls aren't bad either, unless you belly flop

howabouttheiris · Addict Joined: 16 Jun 2005 Posts: 677 City: Austin, TX

sorry for the offsite link.... but here is a great example

http://www.wakepics.com/view_single.php/Raley-Training_wakeboarding-photos.html?medid=19675

jpminter · Posted: Aug 01, 2006 5:10 am Post subject:

So, has anyone here really benefitted from this? If so, how many attempts did you do on a skate? And then how many attempts on the wakeboard before you landed a raley (after you started trying them on a skate)??

ontrider · Ladies Man Joined: 30 Jul 2003 Posts: 16491 City: Russia

jpminter, it's helpful because you can learn how to edge hard like you need to on a raley without being afraid of the potential brutality. Laughing

It's a scary trick for most people when they start, so practicing with a wakeskate you don't have a giant anchor attached to you if you happen to go flying through the air out of control.

Nooga678 · Posted: Aug 01, 2006 10:39 am Post subject:

I justed started wakeboarding this spring, and jumped on the wakeskate for the first time this last Sunday. I can't beleive I waited that long to try it, it was a blast. I don't see how it could not be helpful in learning tricks. Once I could edge the thing I was trying to go as big as possible off the wake. I am definately planning on using it to learn raleys. I would think once you can launch off the wakeskate, throw the raley, and land on the water with your feet in the proper position, you would be ready to switch back to the wakeboard. Atleast that is my plan, but I haven't been doing either very long. I did find it more difficult to edge hard to get big air, but it sure made wakeboarding seem easier after switching back. I can't wake to get back on that thing.

jpminter · Posted: Aug 01, 2006 11:03 am Post subject:

ontrider, oh I'm 100% sure that it is beneficial. I was just looking for a testimonial from someone that learned the raley on the wakeskate and was then able to do them on the wakeboard.

thekpan · Outlaw Joined: 11 Jun 2006 Posts: 168 City: Dallas

i heard its easier with a wakeboard..because the wakeboard catches the air and gets pulled back its more natural i guess you would say..but i wouldnt know for sure. If i came down bad on a raley id try to dive instead of loosing my ribs

jpminter · Posted: Aug 01, 2006 11:35 am Post subject:

thekpan, if you want to get technical... well not having the board on your feet decreases your polar moment of inertia (by A LOT) about the axis of rotation (the handle), therefore making it easier to do with a wakeskate.

cbaird · Criminal Joined: 17 May 2005 Posts: 75 City: Commerce

I bought a wakeskate the other week to learn the raley and the 2 falls I had didn't feel great. You can't get as good an edge on a wakeskate as a board so you won't go as high and it'll feel differrent. I wonder if you can even get the profound snap to use as the signal to pull down. Anyway, one landing was a back smack whiplash and the other was a bell flop which knock the wind out of me. I think I will learn it on the board.

bobmurph · Outlaw Joined: 18 Apr 2006 Posts: 151 City: Atlanta

jpminter, don't forget you need to take into account the force due to air resistence on the board.

I'd venture to guess that the force due to air resistence greatly outweighs the effects on moment of intertia of board vs no board.

Dave88LX · Criminal Joined: 16 Jul 2006 Posts: 64 City: Pasadena

Can you open-water start on a wake-skate?

Jensen · Posted: Aug 01, 2006 6:59 pm Post subject:

Dave88LX, like, start out in the middle of the lake like you would wakeboarding??

yes

jpminter · Posted: Aug 01, 2006 7:47 pm Post subject:

bobmurph, thekpan's post already implied that. Besides, having to rotate your body with the extra moment of inertia would make it tougher than with a little air resistance. Try sticking your hand out of the car window at 20mph. You can battle that air resistance at will. The force involved with it is very small. Try doing it at 60mph, then you can really feel it.

gene3x · Addict Joined: 31 Aug 2004 Posts: 759 City: Dallas

Yea bu the board has much more surface area than your hand. Also considering the weight to be muscled down. Wink

jpminter · Posted: Aug 02, 2006 3:56 am Post subject:

Ok fine, stick your wakeboard out the window at 20mph. My point is that at that speed, wind resistance is low.

AndyAndy · Addict Joined: 09 Aug 2004 Posts: 660 City: cutchogue

ok well while u guys were bitching about the physics involved in the 2 different types of raleys, i went out and actually tried both. Wakeskate raleys are a brilliant idea. Wihtout the board attached to you the falls are like nothing even on my first few tries when i wasnt bringing it back in all the way. Getting my feet out and extended was no problem and the only real issue was just that im not as comfortable on my skate as i am on a board. When i got my board strapped on, the first fall was awful, landed on my toeside edge and smacked my face right on the water but after that, they were no problem. Either way is easy and id say the wieght of the board and the wind resistance of the board are both negligable considering the other forces at work.

jpminter · Posted: Aug 02, 2006 11:20 am Post subject:

jflo452, so you were able to land them no problem? If so, what is your ability like? What other tricks can you do? Just trying to get a feel for how far along you are compared to myself.

Dave88LX · Criminal Joined: 16 Jul 2006 Posts: 64 City: Pasadena

Yeah, open-water starts is what I was talking about. Those that have done Raley's, what's the muscle group that gets the most work-out? I'm thinking abs, pulling your lower body back down straight?

AndyAndy · Addict Joined: 09 Aug 2004 Posts: 660 City: cutchogue

yea, they turned out to be pretty easy once i got them dialed. Aside from raleys, my other tricks are backrolls, tantrums, ts r2r, scarecrow, hs fs 3, ts fs 180, hs fs 180 and just starting to learn blind 180s

7islands · Newbie Joined: 09 Jul 2006 Posts: 19 City: St. Raymond

just a quick help maybe, for my first raleys i used a mtn bike helmet (fullface) and a chest protector. i took some crazy face plant and it almost didnt hurt at all...

its also very stylish

wviveen · Addict Joined: 03 Mar 2003 Posts: 705 City: Loosdrecht

Here are two pictures of my 'wakeskate - raley'.. From early in the season in very rough water.. Fall didn't hurt actually..
In the first picture you can just see the skate.

jpminter · Posted: Aug 04, 2006 4:53 am Post subject:

wviveen, dude, you need to be careful. Never let go of the rope that quickly. In the first pic, you can see that your arm could have so easily gone through the handle. Be careful kids.

wakeboarder2342 · Criminal Joined: 20 Jul 2004 Posts: 91

ya totally, a guy that lives near me did the same thing and it pulled his hand right off. They were never able to find it to reattach it either.

Xanadu · Outlaw Joined: 09 Sep 2006 Posts: 129 City: Ottawa

umm...dumb question. But why are raley's really dangerous? like more so than a tantrum?

QNev · Posted: Sep 09, 2006 4:55 pm Post subject:

Xanadu, When you fall going 20-25 MPH forward with a wakeboard on your feet, surface area=drag and if your binding don't come off, serious injuries to the knees can happen. Or in rufioswashbuckle's case a nice big KO!

Xanadu · Outlaw Joined: 09 Sep 2006 Posts: 129 City: Ottawa

QNev · Posted: Sep 09, 2006 6:36 pm Post subject:

They aren't supposed to come off but it kind of helps in terms of safety on really bad falls.

BobbyChicken · Criminal Joined: 29 Aug 2006 Posts: 92 City: Houston

wakelover11 · Posted: Sep 11, 2006 3:46 pm Post subject:

big respect. way to charge the mound

LakeIolaLuke · Posted: Sep 12, 2006 5:25 am Post subject:

jkeubanks · Outlaw Joined: 02 Sep 2004 Posts: 104 City: Dallas

Here is one.

jakenj · Posted: Sep 12, 2006 6:48 pm Post subject:

this one looks like it hurt really bad, i am really thinking about trying a raley any huge tips that might save my life?