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Help out my back roll (video)

 
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PostPosted: Oct 08, 2005 8:44 pm    Post subject: Help out my back roll (video) Reply with quote

Well after my firt summer of wakeboarding I Greww the balls to try a back roll. Didnt land one but i dont think I did too bad for the first couple attempts. Here are my attempts so far, got any tips to help me out?

http://photos.wakeboarder.com/showphoto.php?photo=11416&cat=508

*Edit - LOL excuse my parents "woahs" they've never seen anything liek that before Laughing
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PostPosted: Oct 09, 2005 1:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

dont let go of the handle!! stick it to your front hip
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PostPosted: Oct 09, 2005 2:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Try taking a little shorter, more aggresive approach. That will give you more "explosion" off the wake. Since you are doing a long cut...it doesnt give you as much acceleration (flip wise) off the wake. Good luck!
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PostPosted: Oct 09, 2005 4:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

man u have a nice wake
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PostPosted: Oct 09, 2005 4:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

you are trying to throw (really really a throw invert though) the roll at the bottom of the wake. you are almost a quarter the way around as you leave hte wake. you want to ride up the wake and try to edge the board away from the boat.

3 steps to learn it.
1.learn to do a proper progressive edge (your's isn't bad, it's just not strong eneough for a good backroll

2. take a shorter approach.

3. wait longer to 'throw' into the roll.
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PostPosted: Oct 09, 2005 6:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

as stated already, you need to take a shorter cut but with a better progressive edge.

In addition, your knees are bent way too much. I can't tell if you are trying to jump off the wake or if you are absorbing pop. Either way, you are losing a bunch of energy through the wake. You need to rotate a lot faster too.

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PostPosted: Oct 09, 2005 7:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hmm, doesn't look as if you're popping enough..

don't think too much about the backroll first but more about leaving the wake cleanly first, then initiate the backroll ?
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PostPosted: Oct 09, 2005 10:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the help. Hopefully ill be able to go out again soon and give it a shot.
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PostPosted: Oct 10, 2005 5:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What kind of boat is that? It is a nice wake.
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PostPosted: Oct 10, 2005 8:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vampyre wrote:
What kind of boat is that? It is a nice wake.


Its a 2003 Centurion Avalanche, Brett Eisenhaur(SP?) with the 3 factroy ballast tanks filled and 4 people on it.
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PostPosted: Oct 12, 2005 8:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hockey8720, I think everything has been covered. But you got past a big step in getting over the fear of being upsidedown. Where do you ride at in San Jose? I ride up at berryessa in Napa if you ever need a third pm me.
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PostPosted: Oct 14, 2005 8:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Something not already mentioned.....

NO need to squat down like that it kills your line load... Hips and chest up with the handle in close, you should almost be standing tall but leaning back on the line. the best advice is to do almost nothing of the wake except for looking up and away.

The hip thrust, head huck does nothing but make you leave early and waste line load.

If you rock back on edge and do nothing but hold that position into the wake you will be in a much better position leaving the wake.
Remember you usually land very similar to how you leave the wake.

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PostPosted: Oct 14, 2005 9:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Hockey8720, I think everything has been covered. But you got past a big step in getting over the fear of being upsidedown. Where do you ride at in San Jose? I ride up at berryessa in Napa if you ever need a third pm me.


I usually ride at calero, anderson and coyote. I went up to berryessa on labor day but gas is just too much to go that far too often. Ill hit you up though if you feel like comin down to san jose?

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NO need to squat down like that it kills your line load... Hips and chest up with the handle in close, you should almost be standing tall but leaning back on the line. the best advice is to do almost nothing of the wake except for looking up and away.


Thanks J DOGG, Ya, after watching these videos i see that i am bending my knees way to much. Never really realized how much i was.

Hopefully if it doesnt rain this weekend ill be able to go out and land this damn thing. Thanks for all the help everyone.
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PostPosted: Oct 14, 2005 9:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Look how flat your board is coming into the wake. You really need to dig your edge in to load up the line. Whenever I'm not getting as much pop as I would like on my rolls and r2r's it's usually because my board is too "flat" approaching the wake. Really think about digging your heels in to create that load especially right at and right before the wake.
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PostPosted: Oct 14, 2005 7:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Unless you want to add a blind rotation to it, a backroll is a lot like a railey.

- load the line hard and get the board out in front of you
- as you enter the trough, shift your your feet forward (to the wake) so the board moves in front of you
- As you come up the wake, stand up over the board so that as it comes off the wake it's flying up behind and to your right (since you're goofy)
- look over your right shoulder so you'll see the water coming around
- pull in on the handle and your body will rotate around the rope



If you learn it this way you'll be rewarded with huge pop and easy landings.
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