whats the deal with a heelflip?

wtbamoomba · Addict Joined: 10 Sep 2003 Posts: 808 City: raleigh

whats so hard abotu it on wakeskates?? i know skateboarding wise heelflips are easier than kickflips... why cant people do them on wakeskates?

DavidHoff · Posted: Sep 03, 2004 9:17 pm Post subject:

I would think the fact that your being pulled at 18-22 mph. on water might have something to do with it. Maybe that your flipping a lot bigger of a board? You decide.

wtbamoomba · Addict Joined: 10 Sep 2003 Posts: 808 City: raleigh

DavidHoff · Posted: Sep 03, 2004 9:28 pm Post subject:

Oh Aight, My misunderstanding. And yes, I think they can be thrown in the flats.

midwest wake · Addict Joined: 13 Oct 2003 Posts: 629 City: Middleton

the reason kickflips are so much easier is because the board is right below you on the flick. but for heel flips your leg can get in the way.

go try both on a skate and you'll definatly see a difference. i can't do either but tramp stuff crosses over a bit to water feel.

and yes they can be done in the flats, go watch danny hampson ride.

Nick Taylor · Last edited by Nick Taylor on Sep 05, 2004 6:59 am; edited 1 time in total

Jester · Posted: Sep 04, 2004 4:30 pm Post subject:

Agreed che blanc, I've heard both stories. I personally learned kickflips first so I think they're easier, but I have a buncha friends who say the opposite.

Don't know why heelflips haven't been done on a wakeskate yet, difficult kickflip variations have been thrown, seems kinda unusual that a simple heelflip wouldn't have preceeded those.

midwest wake · Addict Joined: 13 Oct 2003 Posts: 629 City: Middleton

guys bring a wakeskate on a trampoline and try to do a heel flip with your feet completly on the board, you should be able to do a double like that if you wanna try it on the water. IMO. it's just a differnt thing than a heelflip on a skateboard. go try it

Bruky · Guest

This little kid can land a kickflip, but when you heelflip, there is a huge delay because unlike the kickflip, you need to have your toes hanging off the edge, and since the board is in the water, you need to wait till you are in the air to even begin arranging your feet to setup for the flip, then you kick it, and by then, you're done.

stompin7s · Posted: Sep 07, 2004 12:05 pm Post subject:

Bruky, i am sorry but...I DONT BELIEVE YOU...i highly doubt that that little kid with no shoes and obviously riding at around 15mph(look at the wake) can land a kickflip...

Jim M · Wakeboarder.com Freak Joined: 17 Jan 2003 Posts: 2933

stompin7s, good work Captain Obvious!! There is a thing called 'sarcasm' that is used quite often in English dialect.

stompin7s · Posted: Sep 07, 2004 3:27 pm Post subject:

Jim M, i dont catch any sarcasm in bruky's post. maybe its just me?
anyone...? anyone...

Nick Taylor · Posted: Sep 07, 2004 5:58 pm Post subject:

nuthin. not one traceable amount of sarcasm whatsoever.. at all

Mike.H · Posted: Sep 08, 2004 6:01 pm Post subject:

wait a sec are u saying heelflips are easier then kickflips Confused

umm in my case u be wrong, cause kickflips are way easier to do then heelflips even though i have trouble with my kickflips i have still done them before(oh ya im talking about skateboarding)

midwest wake · Addict Joined: 13 Oct 2003 Posts: 629 City: Middleton

viva la mike, it's all personal preference. i think kickflips are much easier also. i also have more kickflip variations than i do heelflip.

savage3221 · Posted: Sep 08, 2004 8:02 pm Post subject:

Bruky, it looks like that littleun is doing a heelflip more than a kick flip GAAAAAWW Rolling Eyes

wtbamoomba · Addict Joined: 10 Sep 2003 Posts: 808 City: raleigh

im saying that i can heelfip and do diffrent heelfip variations on a skateboard, but i cant kickflip unless im on at least a 3 stair, and then around 4-5 stairs i can throw varial flips...i just cant flick it without pushing the board around or into the ground...heelfips feel so natural to me and most of the people i ride with

Nick Taylor · Posted: Sep 09, 2004 5:21 pm Post subject:

heelflips are the most unnatural flip trick 2 me. kicks were just like nuthin... just how we learn i guess

CWBoarder691 · Criminal Joined: 17 Jul 2004 Posts: 88 City: Houston

i can heelflip with my foot in the kickflip position but noone else that i know can maybe i should try wakeskating

wakemitch · Outlaw Joined: 31 May 2004 Posts: 193 City: Vallejo

i can land heelflips with a skate deck on a trampoline all the time, but when I use my wakeskate on the tramp it is harder. The board is much larger and i have to put my foot way in front of me to get my foot out of the way of the board. I think thats why it hasnt been landed on a wakeskate. with a kickflip you just kick your foot forward and down, and with a heelflip you have to kick down and out because the board will hit the back of your calf.

Fredrick Eisenhauer · Posted: Sep 10, 2004 11:29 pm Post subject:

Heelflips to some people are easier, and vica versa.

stompin7s, I didn't really catch the sarcasm either.

jens · Criminal Joined: 13 Jan 2003 Posts: 96 City: orlando

i watched my friend pull two heelflips in a row last summer. it was crazy!

stompin7s · Posted: Sep 14, 2004 2:24 pm Post subject:

jens, on a wakeskate?! i dont think so my friend...

jens · Criminal Joined: 13 Jan 2003 Posts: 96 City: orlando

yes, on a wakeskate. saw it myself.
all the local shop guys saw it too.
he hasn't ever been able to do it again since that day though.

believe it or not, doesn't really matter.

flukdfilms · Posted: Sep 17, 2004 2:00 pm Post subject:

wtbamoomba,

if heelflips are so easy, how come you dont just go land one on a wakeskate???

Elevation · Posted: Sep 18, 2004 4:33 pm Post subject:

jens, what a day to not have the camera huh??

Nick Taylor · Posted: Sep 18, 2004 6:20 pm Post subject:

Jester · Posted: Sep 19, 2004 12:39 pm Post subject:

Heh, I thought the same thing che, except I have personal experience with landing a trick once & not doing it again since then. Sometimes you have freakish days where you get blessed with talent for a few hours.

Nick Taylor · Posted: Sep 19, 2004 1:58 pm Post subject:

ya me too cough cough varial flip cough cough

Elevation · Posted: Sep 19, 2004 7:22 pm Post subject:

ya and i can land double kickflips Laughing

Nick Taylor · Posted: Sep 20, 2004 12:23 pm Post subject:

ya cept i wasnt kidding Laughing

Elevation · Posted: Sep 20, 2004 1:33 pm Post subject:

yes i know. but in reality we can all do 360 flips.

Nick Taylor · Posted: Sep 20, 2004 1:41 pm Post subject:

you lost me

Elevation · Posted: Sep 20, 2004 3:31 pm Post subject:

haha. forget it bro.

Jim M · Wakeboarder.com Freak Joined: 17 Jan 2003 Posts: 2933

So Bruky was it a joke, saying 'look at the little guy trying to kick the board in the air'? I sensed 100% sarcasm and thought it was kind of funny, but now I want to know, please dont let me down by saying that was a legitimate claim. I also thought che blanc's reply was a reverse-sarcasm kind of sarcasm Laughing

Seems like heelflips could be possible, but you would have to really stomp on the landing bc of the separation off your feet. Hmm- someone sticking something thought to be impossible on a wakeskate--- its probably time to accept that its going to keep happening.