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Lifeless44 Newbie

Joined: 08 Sep 2004 Posts: 49
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Posted: Sep 08, 2004 12:36 pm Post subject: TS FrontRoll |
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I just wanted help learning the TS Front. I can to HS Frontflips and tantrums. Raleys and whatnot. I tried it once and fell on my face. Can someone walk me through it.
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midwest wake Addict

Joined: 13 Oct 2003 Posts: 629 City: Middleton
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Posted: Sep 08, 2004 2:38 pm Post subject: |
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alright i think your HS frontflip is really a HS backroll.
so here it is. I take a pretty big approach, once your out there as soon as the boat starts to pull you in, get on edge hard and fast. hold this edge untill you start to ride up the wake, once you get there, stop edging and bring your shoulders back. as you coast up the wake try to do the front flip and land on your face, while putthing the handle near your butt. its kind of hard to spot the landing on this. so land and ride away easy.
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Lifeless44 Newbie

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Posted: Sep 08, 2004 6:01 pm Post subject: |
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| ok, i dont know why you would say my front is a backroll but whatever. I've been doing a backroll for 2 years and i just mastered my tantrums and my front flip. I just wanted help on the TS roll cuz I have a WWA tournament in a week. Thanx anyway.
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WhirlyBird5 Soul Rider

Joined: 27 Jun 2004 Posts: 261 City: Belmont
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Posted: Sep 08, 2004 7:17 pm Post subject: |
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TS front, here it goes.
1. Progressive edge.
2. Start to flatten up as you approach the wake, probably no more than 5 feet, as your riding up.
3. Try to be as flat on the wake as possible and REALLY emphasize standing tall and dipping your shoulders forward at the take-off. You should still have two hands on the handle.
4. As your coming down from it try to keep yourself from going to scarecrow (sorry can't really tell you how to do this)
5. When your kinda in between 3/4 and half the rotation (you should probably let go with that back hand about now), you really need to empasize KICKING YOUR HEELS down to prevent you from falling on your heels. If you don't kick your heels behind you, you will land on your heels and probably slide out on the landing or land on your back. Really important to land on the toes.
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Lifeless44 Newbie

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Posted: Sep 08, 2004 8:32 pm Post subject: |
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| ok great gonna try it saturday. THanks whirly.
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afxsguy Criminal

Joined: 01 Jun 2004 Posts: 63 City: P-ville
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Posted: Sep 09, 2004 10:36 am Post subject: backroll vs. mexi-roll |
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| Lifeless44 wrote: | | ok, i dont know why you would say my front is a backroll but whatever. I've been doing a backroll for 2 years and i just mastered my tantrums and my front flip. I just wanted help on the TS roll cuz I have a WWA tournament in a week. Thanx anyway. |
he says your backroll looks like a front roll... but its not. its a mexi-backroll. a backroll is suppose to look like a cartwheel. a mexi-backroll is a backroll, but when you tip your head forward. it is still a backroll, but it actually looks more like a frontroll. look for a video comparing the normal backroll to the mexican backroll. ive seen one once.
a real front roll is a lot harder! you actually cartwheel tip first. with a backroll, you lean back and use the wake to throw you around. with a frontroll, you actually use the wake to just get you in the air. the roll has to be hucked because it is not a natural rotation at all. you know how a tantrum has the "trip-flip" edge. imagine the trip flip on the nose of your board instead of on your HS edge.
i dont know if any of this makes sense to you, but people often mistake front rolls for mexi-backrolls!
now, because you have not posted a video, im not saying you cant do a real frontroll... just know that mexi-backrolls are easily mistaken!
i myself cannot do a real backroll yet. im learning it doing the mexi-roll way. i thought it was a backroll until someone told me i was doing a frontroll. i took a video of myself and it kinda does look like a frontroll... heres my attempt at a backroll, but it's actually a mexi-roll...
http://www.aurorafxstudios.com/files/backroll_attempt2.AVI
...wow thats a long post
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Lifeless44 Newbie

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Posted: Sep 09, 2004 12:10 pm Post subject: |
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| you people dont seem to understand. IT IS A FRONT FLIP that i can do. I am looking for help with the TS Roll. My flip is a cartwheel style end over end flip. I learned from josh smith. i will upload a video or a sequence soon. Plz dont doubt my knowledge of the sport.
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WhirlyBird5 Soul Rider

Joined: 27 Jun 2004 Posts: 261 City: Belmont
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Posted: Sep 09, 2004 2:40 pm Post subject: |
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| cool tell me if you land it.
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SB_Boarder Soul Rider

Joined: 19 Jan 2003 Posts: 376 City: Santa Barbara
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Posted: Sep 09, 2004 3:24 pm Post subject: |
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i'm tempted to tell you to try a scarecrow first, cause i learned that before a front roll. but fundamentally it's probably better to learn the straight front roll first. Anyway, the key is the trip flip edge, and letting go with your back hand 2/4 of the way through.
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Lifeless44 Newbie

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Posted: Sep 09, 2004 5:33 pm Post subject: |
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| hmm 2/4 is 1/2
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graphik Addict

Joined: 20 Feb 2003 Posts: 727 City: miller lake
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Posted: Sep 09, 2004 5:57 pm Post subject: |
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pick up a copy of Waketrix, or Detention. They will clearly define what is what, and walk you through visually, how to do the front roll. I've almost done a front flip, so I'm not much help. Maybe check out some of the trick instructionals on this site, WW or go through old issues of magazines. The mags often are the best to learn stuff from. It probably won't help you for your contest, but there is always next year.
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Lifeless44 Newbie

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Posted: Sep 09, 2004 6:44 pm Post subject: |
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| I have Detention and i know what my HS FRont flip is but ya... ok this thread is dead.
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midwest wake Addict

Joined: 13 Oct 2003 Posts: 629 City: Middleton
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Posted: Sep 09, 2004 6:53 pm Post subject: |
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| Lifeless44, you had me confused because a front flip is a hard trick. not doubting you can do it. but it just seems weird that your first or second invert was a frontflip, not usually the norm
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Lifeless44 Newbie

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Posted: Sep 09, 2004 8:04 pm Post subject: |
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| no prob. a pro named josh smith taught it to me. There is a pic of one of my attempts that ended as a Frantrum. But thanks to the forum and josh's help i can stick it now clean and what not. so ill put up a vid of that soon. Thanx for everything guys.
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Lifeless44 Newbie

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Posted: Sep 09, 2004 8:07 pm Post subject: |
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wait ill just add the pic here. Behold the Frantrum sbendish thing i call.....hmmm post a reply with a name for it..thanx

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midwest wake Addict

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Posted: Sep 10, 2004 3:46 am Post subject: |
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| that's what a frantrum is., he said he screwed up on a frontflip and ended up as this.
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Lifeless44 Newbie

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Posted: Sep 10, 2004 7:19 am Post subject: |
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i like it better like this than falling on my face. hehe
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Mariognarly Addict

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Posted: Sep 10, 2004 12:12 pm Post subject: |
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| Good thread Lifeless44....I am having the exact same problem with my HS Front's...this helps me out a lot, thnx.
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Elevation Wakeboarder.com Freak

Joined: 27 Jun 2003 Posts: 2748 City: Clarendon Hills
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Posted: Sep 10, 2004 6:42 pm Post subject: |
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that sequence almost looks like an unattempted S-bend if u ask me.
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Lifeless44 Newbie

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Posted: Sep 10, 2004 10:02 pm Post subject: |
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| ya thats what i like to call it
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