Standing for your rights

eeven73 · Posted: Apr 29, 2014 10:55 am Post subject:

1.) No way that was written by "Charlie Delta"

2.) No way that guys name is "Charlie Delta"

brew · Posted: Apr 29, 2014 1:22 pm Post subject:

Nor*cal, I don't see the correlation. The government was exercising a court ordered forfeiture and a bunch of guys showed up with guns to stop it. This is no different than if your local PD is seizing your assets under court order and you and all your buddies show up with guns to stop it. Occupy isn't in the same discussion.

chavez · RIP MHL 04/25/1958 - 01/11/2006

eeven73 · Posted: Apr 29, 2014 2:45 pm Post subject:

So you were A OK with the branch Davidian situation in Waco?

eeven73 · Posted: Apr 29, 2014 2:57 pm Post subject:

It is a shame that this situation is being used as a proxy for, "stand up against gov't over reach".

I have an acquaintance who is in the logging business who right now has his job site shutdown because of good old spotted owl. No joke.

All his equipment is stuck on sight because they had to stop work first thing and can't renter to get equipment to move to next job. Now his whole crew is applying for unemployment.

Anyone want to take a guess at how the Feds identify spotted owls?

By calling to them at night and hearing return call.

Here is the 42 page procedure document for how to call spotted owls.

http://www.fws.gov/yreka/ES/2012RevisedNSOprotocol-2-15-12.pdf

Guess what happens when 23 yr old fish and wildlife employee looking to make name for himself finds anytime he does night calls.

brew · Posted: Apr 29, 2014 4:06 pm Post subject:

A Ok may be a stretch, but I don't see a point where I support armed resistance against valid court orders. I agree with the fact that they stopped this to regroup, but at some point they are going to have to go back to enforce the law.

The whole thing is a bunch of garbage and all the idiots coming out of the woodwork has been ridiculous. The former Sheriff Mack from Arizona has been quoted as saying they were going to make the women man the frontline so that it would be recorded showing our government killing women if it came to arms. That's about as far down the coward, anti-government totem pole as you can slide.

On your other issue, there are a bunch of cases like that need to be addressed and dealt with. There needs to be a more sensible resolution to these things. However, the guys like Bundy hurt the process.

Okie Boarder · Ladies Man Joined: 03 Mar 2008 Posts: 10056 City: Edmond

jgriffith · Posted: Apr 29, 2014 7:20 pm Post subject:

Okie Boarder, Im curious, what do you think the word arbitrary means?

What agreement did his family make with the state, and when was that agreement made? Please explain the specific terms of this agreement you refer to.

brew · Posted: Apr 29, 2014 8:17 pm Post subject:

http://www.thewildlifenews.com/2014/04/14/cliven-bundy-has-no-claim-to-federal-land-and-grazing/

Okie, to counteract all your left wing links, here is the other side. They may be the complete opposite side nutjobs but it does give some facts instead of all opinion and hyperbole.

Okie Boarder · Ladies Man Joined: 03 Mar 2008 Posts: 10056 City: Edmond

I'll respond when I can sit in front of a computer and pull some links into my response...probably a day or two when I'm back home.

brew · Posted: Apr 30, 2014 5:01 am Post subject:

Don't waste your time. You aren't going to post anything that convinces anyone you or he has a leg to stand on and we clearly aren't going to convince you either. There isn't a reputable source anywhere that is going to support his claim.

I'm dealing with an issue with State government now. I bought a property 5 years ago with 4 single family homes on it. The State has now come in and said that we can't have occupants in two of them because the lot size isn't large enough to support the septic system and field lines. We have to purchase land adjoining the property and put in an additional tank and field lines. This was approved through all the proper channels when it was built. I'm going to court on it and I'm sure I'll lose. Can everyone bring their guns and keep the state from evicting half my tenants at that point?

jgriffith · Posted: Apr 30, 2014 5:17 am Post subject:

Slumlord! Your tenants have a god given natural right to a proper septic system...buy the land and install a new septic system. You also have no right to "arbitrarily" raise their rent after you fix what is rightfully theirs.

chavez · RIP MHL 04/25/1958 - 01/11/2006

brew · Posted: Apr 30, 2014 6:36 am Post subject:

All the Constitution and anti government guys jumped on this to fight the fight not for the cause. I'm going to use the gayest possible reference here to make my point. For any of you that have wives that forced you to watch the last Twilight movie, it's like the Dracula looking guys that showed up for the fight just because of who the other side was.

Okie, the fundamental problem here is you don't have a right to use what is not yours and there are agreements that cover federal and state owned lands. There are a lot of old deals in place on Western grazing rights, but all of this has long since been settled.

RampageWake · Posted: Apr 30, 2014 7:48 am Post subject:

brew · Posted: Apr 30, 2014 8:30 am Post subject:

Don't know. I've turned it over to my real estate attorney's to deal with. The state says that you can only have 2 2 bedroom units per septic tank and 500 ft of fieldlines. We have 4 3 bedroom units on one tank with additional field lines. It was built this way, all work was approved by the county and state, etc. and that's the way we bought it.

The property has been full for 10+ years with no issues. We have had a ridiculous amount of rain over the last 6 months, the water table became too saturated and we had some issues last fall with the fieldlines. Instead of my $hithead tenants calling us about the problem, they called the county. Enter 23 year old inspector new to the job and now the game changes.

eeven73 · Posted: Apr 30, 2014 8:35 am Post subject:

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brew · Posted: Apr 30, 2014 9:23 am Post subject:

brew · Posted: Apr 30, 2014 9:29 am Post subject:

jryoung · Ladies Man Joined: 19 Mar 2004 Posts: 7664 City: Man Jose

chavez · RIP MHL 04/25/1958 - 01/11/2006

jryoung, that's just wonderful. Your freaking house burns down, and they are going to give you a hard time about the replacement septic? What a$$holes. I hope you get a variance without hassle.

Okie Boarder · Ladies Man Joined: 03 Mar 2008 Posts: 10056 City: Edmond

brew · Posted: May 01, 2014 7:44 pm Post subject:

The Taylor Grazing Act was established in 1934 to govern grazing on all federal land not just this piece. Before, it was wide open, first come, first serve. This put a usage structure in place. It did not take his family land away from him.

Okie Boarder · Ladies Man Joined: 03 Mar 2008 Posts: 10056 City: Edmond

I seem to recall reading about an earlier agreement and that's what I'm still looking for.

jgriffith · Posted: May 02, 2014 3:56 am Post subject:

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jgriffith · Posted: May 02, 2014 5:45 am Post subject:

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jryoung · Ladies Man Joined: 19 Mar 2004 Posts: 7664 City: Man Jose

jryoung · Ladies Man Joined: 19 Mar 2004 Posts: 7664 City: Man Jose

This was a timely arbitrary rate increase. Maybe I should just let my stuff hand out there and end up on an episode of storage wars.

brew · Posted: May 02, 2014 11:38 am Post subject:

Nor*Cal · Ladies Man Joined: 12 Jan 2003 Posts: 9479 City: Sac

Nor*Cal · Ladies Man Joined: 12 Jan 2003 Posts: 9479 City: Sac

jryoung, have you contacted your councilmember? They usually have staff just for constituent issues. I'd even elevate it to Assemblymember and Senator staff if there is no resolution... Highlight how 'green' this new system is... There's pending and ongoing issues at the state and regional water boards on septic systems that could be leveraged to have some calls made from an elected office to Mrs. Inspectors boss, to free up this issue.