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zekemule Outlaw

Joined: 28 Aug 2003 Posts: 130 City: Tennessee
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Posted: Sep 13, 2003 6:30 am Post subject: deep V hull |
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A few ( just a few ) of the wake boarding boats have a deep V hull at the transom .. the Centurion Avalanche has a 19 degree deadrise at the transom .. the Tige' 22 V has about 14 degrees .. The big three have 10 degrees or less .. It is my understanding that the deeper the V .. results in a better ride in rough water .. ( and a bigger wake ) .. I believe that the hull designs of the future for the wake board boats will be deeper V hulls .. of course when you weight down a boat with ballast .. the result will be a larger wake also .. but the flat botttom boats will still have a more bouncy ride when heading back home in rough water .. comments please .. thanks .. _________________ zeke |
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david k Criminal

Joined: 28 Apr 2003 Posts: 88 City: SoCal
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Posted: Sep 13, 2003 5:57 pm Post subject: |
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i have a centurion avalanche, it has a really nice rough water ride, and a great wake, but i also ride behind a wakesetter vlx which has a great wake too and still rides decent in rough water. my buddy has a supreme 220 (direct drive) with what seems like a relatively flat bottomr and it has a pretty bad rough water ride, and you need alot of weight to get a real wake out of it, and by the time you put that much weight, the boat handles like crap. with the centurion on vlx with about the same wieght (2000+lbs) it handles much better and has a better wake. so i guess im saying deeper V hulls are better _________________ Sports LTD |
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david k Criminal

Joined: 28 Apr 2003 Posts: 88 City: SoCal
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Posted: Sep 13, 2003 5:59 pm Post subject: |
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that one sentence about handling sounds kind of confusing. i was trying to say that the wakesetter vlx and centurion avalanche will have a better wake/handling when really weighted down. plus the centurion doesnt require a whole lot of weight for a good wake. _________________ Sports LTD |
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Sportster4Tec Wakeboarder.Commie


Joined: 26 Apr 2003 Posts: 1237 City: Baton Rouge, LA
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Posted: Sep 14, 2003 10:34 am Post subject: |
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Well with a deep-v hull you do get better rough water ride obviously because the boat cuts through the water better. The deep-v hull can look like it has a bigger wake but the shape and stiffness of the wake isnt usually as good. With more of a flat bottom when you add a lot of weight it makes a big wake that is very solid. The wake from a deep-v hull isnt as solid or well shaped. If the deep-v hull were better i think more of the companies would use them. The SANTE, XStar, VLX, etc dont use deep-v hulls but they have the best wakes. _________________ www.krookedminds.com
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krbaugh Addict


Joined: 24 Jan 2003 Posts: 758 City: Edwardsville
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Posted: Sep 14, 2003 12:38 pm Post subject: |
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The SANTE Xstar and VLX are all baseed on old ski boat hulls.
The trend will be to deep V |
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Sportster4Tec Wakeboarder.Commie


Joined: 26 Apr 2003 Posts: 1237 City: Baton Rouge, LA
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Posted: Sep 14, 2003 1:31 pm Post subject: |
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No actually the new XStar hull is not an old ski boat hull. The new Tige convex v hull has a slight v for better rough water ride it is also not based on an old ski boat hull. _________________ www.krookedminds.com
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krbaugh Addict


Joined: 24 Jan 2003 Posts: 758 City: Edwardsville
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Posted: Sep 14, 2003 1:34 pm Post subject: |
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The Tige is a V much like the Centurion hull \_/
The X Star well that hull is a choped up Xstar hull |
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No0ne Criminal

Joined: 02 May 2003 Posts: 65
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Posted: Sep 14, 2003 2:05 pm Post subject: Solid Wake |
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Hi,
Kind of confused on how the density(solid wake) of water changes because of the shape of a hull? I understand shape changes drastically or not from hull to hull. But how does water become more solid than well...water?
I guess im a Newbie! _________________ When all else fails, Go Harder!! |
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Seth Martin Moderator


Joined: 12 Jan 2003 Posts: 891 City: Orlando
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Posted: Sep 14, 2003 6:17 pm Post subject: |
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the deeper the v at the transom, the more tendency for the wake to wash over at wakeboarding speeds.
so what if the hulls were from designed for skiing! Don't they work? _________________ The answer is D - All of the above. |
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krbaugh Addict


Joined: 24 Jan 2003 Posts: 758 City: Edwardsville
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Posted: Sep 14, 2003 6:35 pm Post subject: |
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| sure just add weight some times lots of it |
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MrBlean Wakeboarder.Commie


Joined: 09 Mar 2003 Posts: 1420 City: UK
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Posted: Sep 15, 2003 8:07 am Post subject: Re: Solid Wake |
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| No0ne wrote: | Hi,
Kind of confused on how the density(solid wake) of water changes because of the shape of a hull? I understand shape changes drastically or not from hull to hull. But how does water become more solid than well...water? I guess im a Newbie! |
"Density" isn't the right word to use but you'll recognise the difference when you experience it. Try popping off the wake you get when the boat turns and see what happens. It can look nice and steep but it it's not very wide so when you hit it you you just slice thro' it rather than geting a nice pop. Whereas a nice ramp with some substance behind it gives plenty of pop. _________________ Jeff |
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No0ne Criminal

Joined: 02 May 2003 Posts: 65
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Posted: Sep 15, 2003 8:36 pm Post subject: |
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So, correct me if I am wrong what your saying is its all about the ramp (shape) of the wake. Not the stiffness of water, because water is water??
Thanks _________________ When all else fails, Go Harder!! |
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Ralph Wakeboarder.Commie


Joined: 12 Jan 2003 Posts: 1144 City: Auckland, New Zealand
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Posted: Sep 15, 2003 8:48 pm Post subject: |
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Could also have something todo with the turbulence of the water, the more churned up the water the less solid it will be. _________________ Niiiiiiiiice |
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MrBlean Wakeboarder.Commie


Joined: 09 Mar 2003 Posts: 1420 City: UK
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Posted: Sep 15, 2003 11:31 pm Post subject: Solidity of wake |
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| No0ne wrote: | So, correct me if I am wrong what your saying is its all about the ramp (shape) of the wake. Not the stiffness of water, because water is water??
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Yep, both you and Ralph are correct. Water is water unless, of course, it's frozen Then we're talkin snowboardin' But the same thing applies. Hit a hard packed ice ramp and what happens? Big air......hit a pile of powder and what happens......you largely slice thro' it.
Hit a gentle ramp and you may go far but not high. Hit a steep, solid ramp and you get a big, floaty jump.
Liquid water bahaves very similarly to snow in terms of how you can use it to get airborne. _________________ Jeff |
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