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PostPosted: Sep 13, 2003 6:30 am    Post subject: deep V hull Reply with quote

A few ( just a few ) of the wake boarding boats have a deep V hull at the transom .. the Centurion Avalanche has a 19 degree deadrise at the transom .. the Tige' 22 V has about 14 degrees .. The big three have 10 degrees or less .. It is my understanding that the deeper the V .. results in a better ride in rough water .. ( and a bigger wake ) .. I believe that the hull designs of the future for the wake board boats will be deeper V hulls .. of course when you weight down a boat with ballast .. the result will be a larger wake also .. but the flat botttom boats will still have a more bouncy ride when heading back home in rough water .. comments please .. thanks ..
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PostPosted: Sep 13, 2003 5:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i have a centurion avalanche, it has a really nice rough water ride, and a great wake, but i also ride behind a wakesetter vlx which has a great wake too and still rides decent in rough water. my buddy has a supreme 220 (direct drive) with what seems like a relatively flat bottomr and it has a pretty bad rough water ride, and you need alot of weight to get a real wake out of it, and by the time you put that much weight, the boat handles like crap. with the centurion on vlx with about the same wieght (2000+lbs) it handles much better and has a better wake. so i guess im saying deeper V hulls are better
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PostPosted: Sep 13, 2003 5:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

that one sentence about handling sounds kind of confusing. i was trying to say that the wakesetter vlx and centurion avalanche will have a better wake/handling when really weighted down. plus the centurion doesnt require a whole lot of weight for a good wake.
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PostPosted: Sep 14, 2003 10:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well with a deep-v hull you do get better rough water ride obviously because the boat cuts through the water better. The deep-v hull can look like it has a bigger wake but the shape and stiffness of the wake isnt usually as good. With more of a flat bottom when you add a lot of weight it makes a big wake that is very solid. The wake from a deep-v hull isnt as solid or well shaped. If the deep-v hull were better i think more of the companies would use them. The SANTE, XStar, VLX, etc dont use deep-v hulls but they have the best wakes.
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PostPosted: Sep 14, 2003 12:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The SANTE Xstar and VLX are all baseed on old ski boat hulls.

The trend will be to deep V
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PostPosted: Sep 14, 2003 1:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No actually the new XStar hull is not an old ski boat hull. The new Tige convex v hull has a slight v for better rough water ride it is also not based on an old ski boat hull.
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PostPosted: Sep 14, 2003 1:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Tige is a V much like the Centurion hull \_/

The X Star well that hull is a choped up Xstar hull
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PostPosted: Sep 14, 2003 2:05 pm    Post subject: Solid Wake Reply with quote

Hi,
Kind of confused on how the density(solid wake) of water changes because of the shape of a hull? I understand shape changes drastically or not from hull to hull. But how does water become more solid than well...water?
I guess im a Newbie!

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PostPosted: Sep 14, 2003 6:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

the deeper the v at the transom, the more tendency for the wake to wash over at wakeboarding speeds.

so what if the hulls were from designed for skiing! Don't they work?

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PostPosted: Sep 14, 2003 6:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sure just add weight some times lots of it
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PostPosted: Sep 15, 2003 8:07 am    Post subject: Re: Solid Wake Reply with quote

No0ne wrote:
Hi,
Kind of confused on how the density(solid wake) of water changes because of the shape of a hull? I understand shape changes drastically or not from hull to hull. But how does water become more solid than well...water? I guess im a Newbie!


"Density" isn't the right word to use but you'll recognise the difference when you experience it. Try popping off the wake you get when the boat turns and see what happens. It can look nice and steep but it it's not very wide so when you hit it you you just slice thro' it rather than geting a nice pop. Whereas a nice ramp with some substance behind it gives plenty of pop.

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PostPosted: Sep 15, 2003 8:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So, correct me if I am wrong what your saying is its all about the ramp (shape) of the wake. Not the stiffness of water, because water is water??
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PostPosted: Sep 15, 2003 8:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Could also have something todo with the turbulence of the water, the more churned up the water the less solid it will be.
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PostPosted: Sep 15, 2003 11:31 pm    Post subject: Solidity of wake Reply with quote

No0ne wrote:
So, correct me if I am wrong what your saying is its all about the ramp (shape) of the wake. Not the stiffness of water, because water is water??
Thanks


Yep, both you and Ralph are correct. Water is water unless, of course, it's frozen Exclamation Then we're talkin snowboardin' Laughing But the same thing applies. Hit a hard packed ice ramp and what happens? Big air......hit a pile of powder and what happens......you largely slice thro' it.

Hit a gentle ramp and you may go far but not high. Hit a steep, solid ramp and you get a big, floaty jump.

Liquid water bahaves very similarly to snow in terms of how you can use it to get airborne.

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