Need Help with W2W Toeside... Bad..Bad.. Bad.

Punkpenguin · Outlaw Joined: 01 Aug 2006 Posts: 224

So I've landed 180s HS both switch and regular... Just landed the switch ones today, was stoked.

But i still cant seem to get over the wake with my toeside jumps, I've done tons of 1 wake, and inside out wake toeside jumps, i even do toeside 1 wake 180s almost everytime i cross just for practice for when i can actually clear it...

I'll try to describe what i think im doing wrong and tell me when you think needs to be changed.

When i edge in i feel really awkward..
When i land even though i not clearing the wake, i seem to have the board slip out from underneath me.
I dont get much pop at all off the wake..

any help would be great.

jpminter · Posted: May 21, 2007 3:26 am Post subject:

I forget who originally posted this...

timmyDecker · Outlaw Joined: 22 May 2006 Posts: 187 City: Manhattan...KS

I think jpminter's post should explain the pop issue pretty well. As for the board slipping out from under you when you land, that's most likely a result of coming off your edge in the air. After you leave the wake you really have to focus on keeping your board pointed in the direction of travel and not letting yourself "open up." I think The Book described it as "staying wrapped" in the air. You need to land edging at least as hard as you were when you started your jump. If you focus on that when you're in the air, you should start sticking those things in no time.

brath5 · Outlaw Joined: 06 Jul 2004 Posts: 222 City: Winnipeg

ya like

brath5 · Outlaw Joined: 06 Jul 2004 Posts: 222 City: Winnipeg

ya like timmyDecker said, you need to land on edge. if you wash out on any trick it's because you aren't landing on the proper edge. focus on riding away from the wake toeside when you clear it.

Punkpenguin · Outlaw Joined: 01 Aug 2006 Posts: 224

Thanks a bunch, Will try that out next time i ride. I figured the landing part was due to bad edging, I couldnt figure out why i could land HS 180s, because i had to land basiclly the same way as a toeside jump... Razz

jakenj · Posted: May 21, 2007 7:32 pm Post subject:

start off swingin out just like 5 ft and progressive cut as hard as you can and try to get further and further everytime, then reel your self out further and after a while you should get it

bobmurph · Outlaw Joined: 18 Apr 2006 Posts: 151 City: Atlanta

You probably aren't edging hard enough into the wake.

Try this...take a hard cut out on your toeside into the flats. You should be leaning away from the boat. When you cut out into the flats you're not afraid to take a hard cut because there is no wake to launch you. Make note of your body position. This aggressive cut/body position is the same that you need to have when charging the wake.

Progressive edge is even more important TS than it is HS. What I do is take a nice easy cut to the wake, then at about 5 ft from the wake I just lean on the rope away from the boat about as hard as I can. If you do it right you should pop STRAIGHT UP and W2W.

I actually get better air toeside. I think its because my edging is more progressive TS because the pop is W2W and striaght up so the landings are always nice and soft. When I take a super hard HS cut I'll end up out in the flats...not nice landings.

CDawg · Outlaw Joined: 29 Jul 2005 Posts: 130 City: Bellevue

bobmurph, sounds like some really good tips!

NewAx1sRidr1990 · Newbie Joined: 23 Jan 2007 Posts: 35

pinch ur butt cheeks while goin into the wake

Punkpenguin · Outlaw Joined: 01 Aug 2006 Posts: 224

Bob, Thanks alot i've never thought about it that way, I'll def try it this way when i go out on the boat next

Sadly im not sure when i will be able to get out, sometime next week.

Rainther45 · Posted: May 26, 2007 7:45 am Post subject:

When I was having trouble going TS w2w my friend told me to think of it like this. Picture your HS jumps, now just reverse it. Instead of having your heels edging its your toes, instead of your frontside facing the boat it is now your backside. This may not be perfect technique but it sure did the trick for me. Also when I was doing this it helped to land with only my leading hand on the rope, it helped me from opening up and losing my edge while in the air

WakeboarderX30 · Criminal Joined: 12 Mar 2003 Posts: 92

What helped me get w2w ts was, "The body position you hold cutting out to do a HS jump is the same way you should be cutting into the wake for a TS jump."

OuachitaWaker · Addict Joined: 16 Sep 2006 Posts: 577 City: Hot Springs

Ok do the same cut into the wake, that you do cutting out toeside (away from the wakes to hit the wake heelside). practice edging hard away from the wake like you would cut out to hit a heelside jump.

Now do that same toeside edge hard to the wake and hold your edge all the way through. Take some falls, get used to it, problem solved

Punkpenguin · Outlaw Joined: 01 Aug 2006 Posts: 224

Went out today and worked on toeside some, i only got to ride for about 20 minutes, in 10 min sessions so i really didnt get much time to work on it...

But... I landed like 4 TS 180s flawless, looked as good as my HS 180s, but when i actually tried to land a normal toeside jump, I felt like my body was opening up too much, It felt much more natural to just go ahead and do the 180 ( Im really comfortable switch)

I think when i pop off the wake, my back foot starts to swing forward a little bit, my board is basically in the position as if i were just riding in the middle of the wake ( only way i can think to describe it) but im getting decent height and am clearing the wake, but if i dont do the 180, i dont land them ....

Anyone got any suggestions for this? Also, Is there anything i can do to work on TS at a cable park? I get to go to OWC much more than i get to ride behind a boat now.

Thanks!

jpminter · Posted: Jun 25, 2007 3:16 am Post subject:

When you're jumping toeside and NOT trying to do a 180, keep the handle pinned to your front hip and you won't open up.

Punkpenguin · Outlaw Joined: 01 Aug 2006 Posts: 224

Now that you say that, that is exactly what i was doing... I'll remeber that next time! Thanks. Still would like to know any ways to practice TS on a cable, I'll be going to OWC all day.

devon · Posted: Jun 25, 2007 7:34 pm Post subject:

Flixmaster should make a post on how to go w2w ts and hs and keep it at the top
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inter · Addict Joined: 01 Sep 2006 Posts: 539 City: BC

devon, well it is in the trick tips section in the website. (not in the forums)