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Will shorter rope length make a back roll easier

 
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PostPosted: Oct 01, 2006 4:08 pm    Post subject: Will shorter rope length make a back roll easier Reply with quote

I know rope length is a matter of preference,
but if I usually run at 65 and easily clear the wake, will going shorter make it easier to do the backroll?

I tried it and I seemed to rotate out of control really fast, no fun.
I'm looking for the easy looking "floaty" roll.
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PostPosted: Oct 01, 2006 4:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i find that the longer the rope the more hangtime. i would say stick to 65.
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PostPosted: Oct 01, 2006 5:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shorter rope = more/easier pop and less distance to cover wake 2 wake.

From the sounds of it you are not doing the trick correctly, sounds like you are "throwing" it too much instead of edgeing through the wake.

If you aren't casing the wake on the way down, shortening the rope won't help you any with landing the trick.

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PostPosted: Oct 01, 2006 6:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It would only really help if you are casing the wake (coming too short). Try it.
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PostPosted: Oct 01, 2006 8:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What are you having problems with?
Are you not getting all the way around
or are you not going the distance?
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PostPosted: Oct 03, 2006 5:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Main problem is things seem to be happening too fast,
also will often stick the nose of the board into the water (both reg and switch) on landing.
I suppose that means I need to pop more and float down?
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PostPosted: Oct 04, 2006 6:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

k9fxr wrote:
Main problem is things seem to be happening too fast,
also will often stick the nose of the board into the water (both reg and switch) on landing.
I suppose that means I need to pop more and float down?


I have the same problem as you do. I was thinking of shortening the rope too. I heard that by putting more weight on the boat, slow the boat down so the wake becomes bigger and the distance between wakes increases. At the same time use a shorter rope to do a one wake backroll (not clearing the 2nd wake). Since the boat speed is now slower so it won't hurt as much when you crash and you won't case the wake since u r only doing 1 wake. By doing 1 wake, you can edge in w/ a lot less distance so it is slower n you will have a lot more time to focus on poping it upward. Someone taught me this trick, but I haven't tried it yet. Does it make sense to you at all?
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PostPosted: Oct 05, 2006 2:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I tried a shorter rope for a little while and
I finally started landing them when I went
back to my normal length.

Here is a link to one of the ones I landed.
It is from the first weekend I started landed them.
http://www.timberwolfsoftwaresolutions.com/personal/backroll.mov
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PostPosted: Oct 05, 2006 4:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wasnt making the rotation at 65 feet so i moved out to 70 and took a harder cut. If you make sure to consciously straighten you legs at the top of the wake and go for a big pop you'll make the rotation. Here's a link to the first one i landed on sunday. If you stop it and start at the very first frame, you can see how straight my legs are, thats the KEY to getting enough pop to make it all the way
http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoID=1236228208&n=2

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PostPosted: Feb 12, 2007 4:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i havent tried any yet, but i hope to try one this summer. i cant wakeboard now because i live in Mi. Ive been working with a rope on a really bouncy tramp. any suggestions for when i make my 1st attempt?
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PostPosted: Feb 12, 2007 8:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

tpj wrote:
i havent tried any yet, but i hope to try one this summer. i cant wakeboard now because i live in Mi. Ive been working with a rope on a really bouncy tramp. any suggestions for when i make my 1st attempt?

Dont half ass it, commit fully or you wont go all the way around.

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PostPosted: Feb 14, 2007 5:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I landed my first BACKROLL with a 40' rope (Yes 40'...). At this lenght you can slower the boat with still a good wake. Now I can do BR at almost all lenght and speed (except 90' at 36mph !!! )
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PostPosted: Feb 14, 2007 8:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

yea always fully commit to the rotation!!! Thats how ppl get hurt.
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