wakeboarding mag, not wakeskating mag

[wakelover11]

what really gets me pissed off is more than half of a wbm containing stuff about wakeskating. they should make wakeskating a seperate branch of magazine in their company. no offense to wake skaters, but i dont have a wakeskate and i am perfectly happy with my wakeboard. i dont think wbm should spoil my fun and reading interest with something i dont have and probobly cant do anyway

[ridehatzic]

wakelover11, I think your a bitch and should respect both sports equally.

[Xanadu]

^^rofl
i kinda agree with wakelover here. If i wanted a rugby magazine, and it was full of soccer stuff, i'd be pretty pissed. But there probably isnt a big enough market for a wakeskate magazine and the two are closely related, so it makes sense.

[wakelover11]

[provin1327]

[ridehatzic]

Man I'm just playing. I wish there was a wakeskate magazine too so that I wouldn't hafto put up with the wakeboarder magazine stuff. HAHA. I like both sports, ex wakeboarder, present day wakeskater, so I have respect for both.

[Nick Taylor]

Wakeboarding is on it's way out, so there's not much interesting stuff to write about for it I guess. I mean, you can only do so many how to drive a double up and how to do a tootsie flip articles. And more than anything, I think the ridiculous amount of ads in that magazine are what irritates the readers. Wakeskating is blowing up and is almost as big as wakeboarding is supposed to be. We have Wakeskate Life magazine (which has only put out one issue so far), and Alliance's Online Wakeskate mag (which I love to read BTW), but I think the skaters want more.

Maybe wakeboarding mag will just change they're name to adjust to the shift in interest: "Wakeskating Magazine".

Remember when they were a kneeboarding and wakeboarding magazine?


hate me,





`nick taylor

[ridehatzic]

TNT rides again.

[wakemitch]

[chriscut]

Wakeskating will take over, give it time

alliance wakeskate online mag, for free, online:

http://www.alliancewake.com/wakeskate/home.htm

[Cornut]

NT, that's a pretty bold statement, especially here on wb.com.........but I think you may be on to something. Of course there will always be a wakeboarding fan base, just like there are still plenty of water skiiers out there. However, the progression of wakeboarding does appear to be leveling off. Just like Byerly said (I think in asterisk), "there's only so many flips & spins you can do".

And I definitely think that WBM is running out of things to talk about. The last issue or two I have received had articles like "how to conquer your first contest", and "how to handle your first autograph session", showing pictures of Parks, Grubb, Webb, etc standing on the podium. How many people out there are really riding at that level? Or boat-related articles implying that if you're really serious about riding, then you must have the latest super-air-x-star-247-lsv. And yes, those were the few actual articles sandwiched in between 50 pages of ads.

I guess I'm a bit biased, but to me one of the greatest things about skating is accessibility. Skaters are out there killing it behind PWC's, outboard john-boats, and winches, riding in water ranging from Lake Powell to road-side ditches after a good rain. Sick riding by the common guy, not just those with rich parents with 60k to blow on a boat. Right on.

[LFADAM]

Well heres my opinion. Im sure lots of you wont like it, but i dont care. Wakeboarding is bigger than wakeskating right now. I can understand why many think wakeskating will be bigger evenutally. Its more accesible because wakeskaters dont care about going big (except grubb) so they dont care if they use jet ski wakes and a skate is cheaper than a board. While I think wakeboarding is more fun (MY OPINION) because you can go huge and do inverts and higher degree rotations, I can see why people like wakeskating better too. Its more technical. Its cool to see the different ways you can flip the skate and it amazes me when they do w2w big spins etc. Theres some cool stuff in skating. Its just not for me, Id rather go big than flick the board under my feet. I bet someone will say wakeskaters DO go big. You can try to convince me all you want and its somewhat true...ive seen a big HS 180 into the flats on a skate and a solid 6 ft dUP but wakeboarders go bigger no doubt in everything. Its just the way it is and thats fine skaters dont go as high. So back to the issue at hand, I dont mind skating in wbm as long as its mostly WAKEBOARDING. I mean thats only logical if its wakeboard mag. Thats cool that they started a wakeskate mag finally. I think thats overdue. But what really ticks me off is when skaters make fun or belittle wakeboarding because ex. your strapped to the board so you have no freedom, wakeskating is harder, wakeboardings too easy, or worst, wakeskating is better. I also hate when skaters say "wakeboarding is obviously not as good if people like Byerly switched and its on the decline and wakeskatings gonna be bigger than wakeboarding eventually." Why be hatin? Wakeskating came from wakeboarding, dont hate what your sport came from. Respect, I have great respect for guys like Nick Taylor who do amazing stuff with a skate and I think your sport is a cool and unique thing. Its just not for me. If wakeboardings not for you, then fine. But dont act like wakeskating is better than boarding. Theyre 2 different sports. Each have cool things about them. Neither one is better than the other. My .02
Sorry for the long post

[Nick Taylor]

[LFADAM]

Nick Taylor, yea youre right, I was kinda pissy when I wrote that. I definetly should have chose different wording than "dont care about going big" But to clarify what my opinion is: wakeskatings prime focus is not going big...it (correct me if im wrong, please) is to be innovative and technical, (most) wakeboarders focus is to go big, but wakeskaters still like to go big as a bonus, like a dUP BS 3 skating is much better than one done off the wake and small of course.

BTW: expound- nice word

[Ctipping]

It's almost like comparing snowboarding to skateboarding.
Skating is a hell of a lot more technical and challenging, but snowboarding is more impressive with less effort. I snowboarded for the first time in three years this year and within two weekend sessions I had landed two inverts, whereas I statred skating in october and could barely ride by spring break.

[Beaver]

Ctipping, yeah but that's because i was there and you build jumps to steep, other wise that would have never happened.

[dirtyohioriver]

i love this post, whats up with wakeskate life homies

viva la wakeskating!

[Nick Taylor]

dirtyohioriver, The second issue is in my hands.

"I have seen the lake, and it is glorious."


Ctipping, Good comparison.

[Ctipping]

Beaver, well then you do have the magic finger...

[DRAGON88]

[ridehatzic]

Minus 5 points from Slytherin....

















hooray

[devon]

come on i wakeboard and wakeskate and there both fun give it a rest
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[electricsnow]

I don't really come here much, but since I'm in the middle of writing something and I seem to have "writers block", I'll chime in.

It's unfair to say that wakeboarding is on its way out. Wakeboarding is simply at a different stage in its growth pattern than wakeskating. Wakeskating now is probably where wakeboarding was at in like 1995 when scott byerly got retarded and filmed his hit it part, and darin shapiro was double fronting, etc. (I don't care what anyone thinks, i got emotional when I saw darin land that double front at the first tour stop in 97 after people said he was done forever.) There was just more progression going on with new tricks and things like that. Similarly, you could include snowboarding in this as well. I remember reading a PETER LINE interview, and he was talking about knee injuries, and how at one point, if you blew your knee out, you were pretty much done becuase it took a year to recover and the progression was so rapid that it was difficult to catch up. But like anything, the progression can peak out for a bit, and you begin to explore other avenues. Whether it be with rails and creating your own new playground, or however you feel the need to chalenge yourself. And there are still wake tricks that have not been done yet (and we're not talking flips here). And if you watch a snowboarding video from 1993 and then watch a video in 2006, what's one major difference? Size. So in that regard, one way to progress is by going up. Not everyone rides like randy harris...I can't say if that will ever be the standard, but I can say that I am much more impressed with the riding of randy harris and keith lyman, as opposed to someone other rider who really doesn't go all that big, blah blah blah.

Anyway, it seems like it's all about what interests you as a person. There are people who will respect one or the other, and those who feel a connection to both. In my opinion, wakeboarding and wakeskating will always have a connection. Wakeboarding will not die off, and wakeskating will not die off.

And as far as the size of wakeskating is concerned, let's be realistic here. Do you think wakeskates can even compare to wakeboard sales at this point in time? To me, that's a indicator of growth and size, and I don't think the two can compare. (remember, skurfers were once cheap, and now wakeboards can sell for 400.00, blank.) Furthermore, as the sport grows, there's more room for more high end gear (look at how wakeboards have gone up in price). How many people understand and are willing to pay 300.00 for a wakeskate? It's hard to determine the size of the art/industry when you're in it...when that butter book came out in 02, I thought it was the hottest stuff ever and I thought that thing would be a piece of cake to sell. I still remember paco's apprehension and something along the lines of "I hope you're right" ( in regards to the whole "selling like hotcakes thing"). As it turned out, it wasn't an easy sell and not everyone got ot. The point of that is, I thought wakeskating was bigger than what it was...things have changed since then, but I still don't think it compares to wakeboarding. It may be huge in certain meccas, but I still don't know that many wakeskaters from my area. And it took ten years for another wakeboard to actually ride on my body of water up north. TEN YEARS! and they rode a wakeboard, not a wakeskate!

Anyway, I'm peacing out. Personally speaking, I think it's upp-ity and ignorant to say that wakeboarding is on its way out, becuase there are a lot of people who not only breathe it (much like a dedicated wakeskater lives and breathes and believes in the progression of wakeskating), but there are people who want to dedicate themselves to the progression of their chosen art as well.

anyway, if anyone has serious issues with that, PM me becuase I won't be back here for another few months. peace

[Blake]

DRAGON88, you post that often!

I think there needs to be more wakesurfing and less wakeboarding. Or, perhaps a 50-50 split in the two, and then allocate 50% of the mag to skating.

wakelover11, do you just not like it because you cant do it? Or do you just not like it because you purchased a wakeboard?

The great thing about wakeskating is the newness of it. It is something fresh. I remember the first time we went out, and my buddy hit a rail on the skate. That was more of the talk then any trick I threw on the strapper that day.

[Nick Taylor]

electricsnow, "On it's way out" was a bad choice of words. Thank you for imparting your knowledge and opinion on us.

I invented wakesurfing.

[Wakebrad]

[LFADAM]

electricsnow, Great post. I know you wont see this for months but I thought Id let you kow anyways. If you cant tell its already turned around the direction this thread is going

[Nick Taylor]

[Sinkoumn]

Cause Skiing and snowboarding are the "same" thing too because they are both on snow. They should be one magazine and sport too

[Wakebrad]

[Nick Taylor]

[Nick Taylor]

BTW, based on the first part of your post, do you think I have some kind of ownership in Integrity?

[Wakebrad]

[david-d]

Hi Nick!!

[Nick Taylor]