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 Posted: Aug 26, 2006 2:29 am Post subject: Will someone PLEASE make up thier minds?!? |
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| Quote: | Russian scientist predicts global cooling
MOSCOW, Aug. 25 (UPI) -- A Russian scientist predicts a period of global cooling in coming decades, followed by a warmer interval.
Khabibullo Abdusamatov expects a repeat of the period known as the Little Ice Age. During the 16th century, the Baltic Sea froze so hard that hotels were built on the ice for people crossing the sea in coaches.
The Little Ice Age is believed to have contributed to the end of the Norse colony in Greenland, which was founded during an interval of much warmer weather.
Abdusamatov and his colleagues at the Russian Academy of Sciences astronomical observatory said the prediction is based on measurement of solar emissions, Novosti reported. They expect the cooling to begin within a few years and to reach its peak between 2055 and 2060.
"The Kyoto initiatives to save the planet from the greenhouse effect should be put off until better times," he said. "The global temperature maximum has been reached on Earth, and Earth's global temperature will decline to a climatic minimum even without the Kyoto protocol." |
I was hoping for longer boarding seasons with gobal warming. I guess longer snowboardign seasons will have to do. Stpuid scinetist. |
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That's the big question ...is it truly global warming or is just a warming cycle?
We haven't existed on this planet long enough to know that and the ones that were here before us suggest that maybe a cycle.
Flame on.....
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| Dragonlady8 wrote: | That's the big question ...is it truly global warming or is just a warming cycle?
We haven't existed on this planet long enough to know that and the ones that were here before us suggest that maybe a cycle.
Flame on..... |
I have to disagree, there is sufficent evidence such as core samples taken from glaciers that can prove what the air quality (IE: CO² greenhouse gases) was like during the previous cycles. The earth's tempature has never climbed so extremely as it has in the past 100 years. What we are seeing is not a natural cycle.
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| Posted: Aug 26, 2006 9:13 am Post subject: |
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| I thought it might be a cycle too. Never have belief in it. |
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| Posted: Aug 26, 2006 9:37 am Post subject: |
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DRAGON88,
Rock on my fellow oregonian. There are some people that still believe the pack of lies the Shrub Admin spews. |
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| boobybunny wrote: | DRAGON88,
Rock on my fellow oregonian. There are some people that still believe the pack of lies the Shrub Admin spews. |
There are a lot of people out there who still think that global warming is related to the depletion of the ozone layer. The general public is just over all very un-informed about this subject. It's far easier to just blame global warming and cooling on "nature."
We may even be on a natural "warming period" right now but, the global warming and cooling does not happen overnight and does not happen like it has in the past century.
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| Posted: Aug 26, 2006 11:05 am Post subject: |
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| DRAGON88, That is if you believe the Earth is more than 10,000 years old. Which I don't |
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| Darin wrote: | | DRAGON88, That is if you believe the Earth is more than 10,000 years old. Which I don't |
I'm not sure wether the fact that you're dead serious makes me laugh, or cry.... No wait. I'm definitely laughing. 
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This thread made me think of philosophy the other day.
Some people think that the Big Bang theory can actually prove the existence of God.  |
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Do your research. You've been fed on line of history from the schools owned and operated by the government with a one track evolutionary mind. If you have not recearched both sides, you have no arguement. There is credible evidence for a young earth. Since you weren't there, and I wasn't there, and the people you believe were'nt there. Then you are taking thier word for it. But there is a debate that you are unaware of I guess about the age of the earth. I have lisented to both sides. I choose to believe the young earth side of the debate. Besides the science that I believe to be accurate. It is Biblical. It is difficult to argue with people that have been fed a billions years old universe thier whoole lives and have maybe not even heard of or researched a young earth, so I don't. Period. But you feel comfortable with your belief in whatever you believe, so go ahead with that.
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| Just wanted to add something in case there is any confusion. I was just wondering if your stating that it makes you laugh is supposed to sway me or something. I'm not sure why you felt you needed to post that otherwise. If nothing else, you got a laugh out of it. |
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Yes Darin, it's all one giant conspiracy against God. What is this credible evidence you speak of? The book of Genesis? You mean to tell me that "credible evidence" is in your mind a "book" that has survived thousands of years of translation and adaptation?
You put a lot of faith into the fact that no one "changed" the "story" over thousands of years. might I digress because this is not the point of this thread.
But you're fooling yourself if you think that I've been any more "fed a line" than you have by your religion.
It's a matter of putting "faith" before research.
Regardless the point of your thread was global warming, and if you think that the global warming that is occurring today as is good thing you are most likely a complete idiot. I suggest you read up just a little bit on it's ramifications. You can try to pretend like all this science is "willy nilly" but the truth is it's reality.
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DRAGON88, you do realize that the world is flat, like to top of some peoples head 
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| Fine. Have you even ever considered any other view? Like I said. If you haven't done the recearch, you have no footing and no arguement. All your mocking is worthless. |
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Darin, There are numerous Christian scientists that believe in evolution and that the world is billions of years old. You should get on board with those guys.
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This thread is doomed..
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DRAGON88,
For such a young boy, you ROCK! Makes me rethink the whole "send the kids to South" idea. You are welcome on our boat ANYDAY!
Darin, stop drinking the kool aide, it is killing your brain cells.  |
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Darin, the problem with "religious science" is that it lacks Science. Science is dynamic, changing, explaining how, why things happen. If we learn something new our theorys change, it's a progressive knowledge.
"Religious science" on the other hand, says, "here's what happened." Period with nothing behind it but scriptures. Scriptures don't really hold a candle to real scientific data and data analysis in my eyes. Back before we had the means to really explore the "whys" of our universe they maybe had their point, we had no other means of explaning such phenomina. Now-a-days, it's about all they can do to try and trim as many facts out as possible so that they can still fit it into their "explanation". Discrediting science for whatever obsurd reason just so as to not upset their "theory."
As Tyler added, the times are a changin'.
Anyways, you're more than entitled to your opinion about what happened, but, please call it what it is. Religion.
| boobybunny wrote: | DRAGON88,
For such a young boy, you ROCK! Makes me rethink the whole "send the kids to South" idea. You are welcome on our boat ANYDAY!
Darin, stop drinking the kool aide, it is killing your brain cells. |
Thanks, but come on, us Churchill kids aren't that bad.
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This thread is full of stupidity on all sides...
I'll just say without giving a damn to research it, I hope the Russians are right as I've been craving a good snow here lately. I certainly wouldnt mind adding another month on to mhttp://forums.wakeboarder.com/images/smiles/icon_smile.gif
Smiley ski season.
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All you know is what you've been told. Were you there? Was anyone on this forum there a so called billion years ago? If you believe the world is that old, it's because you were taught that, by people that want you to believe it. You don't "know" how ole the world is. You accept their science, their conclusions, and their beliefs that it's all truth. And you do it blindly. I will state it one last time, and then leave it alone. Unless you have done any Creation Science reading, you have no legitimate debate. I went through public schools, I was fed the same billions of years stuff you were. Then as Christian I moved on to Creation Science, and young earth.
http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/faq/young.asp
If you are not afraid to challenge your beliefs, check it out. It will seem crazy at first. It did for me.
Before commenting, I expect you to read the post below.
| Quote: | | ii) The fact that the earth neither ‘looks old’ nor ‘looks young’ as such—it all depends on the ‘glasses’ through which the evidence is interpreted. We all need to be aware of how much we have been conditioned by our culture to ‘see’ geological things as ‘looking old’. |
| Quote: | | So next time you hear someone say that the earth ‘looks old’, you can respectfully disagree—it can look almost ‘any age you want’, depending on how you interpret the factual evidence through the belief system in your mind. |
| Quote: | Scientific arguments for a young earth are numerous.
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The old-earth idea was developed historically, not from letting the physical facts speak for themselves but by imposing anti-biblical philosophical assumptions onto the geological observations. See this article and this DVD.
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The radiometric dating methods are based on those same naturalistic, uniformitarian, anti-biblical assumptions and there is plenty of published evidence that they do not give valid dates. Besides the RATE research mentioned earlier, consider the well-researched arguments in The Mythology of Modern Dating Methods. You cannot expect this icon of evolution to be overthrown in a few short paragraphs.
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John Morris’s book (The Young Earth) gives a good layman’s summary (with documentation and plenty of pictures to illustrate) of the some of the strongest evidences for a young-earth and global Flood. For more in-depth arguments see John Woodmorappe’s book (Studies in Flood Geology). Excellent DVDs illustrating some of these points are on Mt. St. Helens (Mount St. Helens: Explosive Evidence for Catastrophe) and Grand Canyon (The Grand Canyon: Monument to the Flood). Creationist scientists (or any scientists, for that matter) don’t have answers to everything and so are continuing to do research (and the number of qualified creationist geologists is increasing), but following is some of the evidence brought out in these resources:
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The almost complete absence of evidence of erosion or soil layers or the activity of living things (plant roots, burrow marks, etc.) at the upper surface of the various strata (showing that the stratum did not lay there for thousands or millions of years before the next layer was deposited).
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Polystrate fossils (usually trees) that cut through more than one layer of rock (even different kinds of rock supposedly deposited over thousands if not millions of years). The trees would have rotted and left no fossil evidence if the deposition rate was that slow.
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Soft-sediment deformation—that thousands of feet of sedimentary rocks (of various layers) are bent (like a stack of thin pancakes over the edge of a plate), as we see at the mile-deep Kaibab Upwarp in the Grand Canyon. Clearly the whole, mile-deep deposit of various kinds of sediment was still relatively soft and probably wet (not like it is today) when the earthquake occurred that uplifted one part of the series of strata.
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Many fossils that show (require) very rapid burial and fossilization. For example, soft parts (jellyfish, animal feces, scales and fins of fish) or whole, large, fully-articulated skeletons (e.g., whales or large dinosaurs such as T-Rex) are preserved. Or we find many creatures’ bodies contorted. All this evidence shows that these creatures were buried rapidly (in many cases even buried alive) and fossilized before scavengers, micro-decay organisms and erosional processes could erase the evidence. These are found all over the world and all through the various strata.
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The rock record screaming “Noah’s Flood” and “young earth.” The secular geologists can’t hear or see the message because of their academic indoctrination in anti-biblical, naturalistic, uniformitarian assumptions. The reason that most Christian geologists can’t see it is the same, plus the fact that they have believed the scientific establishment more than the Bible that they claim to believe is the inspired, inerrant Word of God. There are also thoroughly researched scientific refutations of skeptical objections to Noah’s Ark and the Flood here, which strengthen one’s faith in the biblical account of the Flood. |
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| Quote: | 1) The continents are eroding too quickly.
If the continents were billions of years old, they would have eroded by wind and water many times over. Mountain uplift and other ‘recycling’ processes are nowhere near capable of compensating for this.1
Diagram of helium escaping from the rocks into the atmosphere, but little escaping into space
2) There is not enough helium in the atmosphere.
Helium, a light gas, is formed during radioactive alpha decay in rock minerals. It rapidly escapes and enters the atmosphere much faster than it can escape Earth’s gravity.2 Even if God had created the world with no helium to begin with, the small amount in the atmosphere would have taken at most around two million years to accumulate. This is far less than the assumed 3,000-million-year age of the atmosphere.
3) Many fossils indicate that they must have formed quickly, and could not have taken long time-spans.
a) Common fossils.
There are billions of fossil fish in rock layers around the world which are incredibly well-preserved. They frequently show intact fins and often scales, indicating that they were buried rapidly and the rock hardened quickly. In the real world, dead fish are scavenged within 24 hours. Even in some idealized cold, sterile, predator-free and oxygen-free water, they will become soggy and fall apart within weeks.3 A fish buried quickly in sediment that does not harden within a few weeks at the most will still be subject to decay by oxygen and bacteria, such that the delicate features like fins, scales, etc. would not preserve their form. Rapid burial in the many underwater landslides (turbidity currents) and other sedimentary processes accompanying Noah’s Flood would explain not only their excellent preservation, but their existence in huge deposits, often covering thousands of square kilometres.
b) Special examples.
We’ve often featured in this magazine instances which are particularly spectacular, like the mother ichthyosaur apparently ‘freeze-framed’ in the process of giving birth. Then there are the fossil fish which are found either in the process of swallowing other fish or with undigested fish intact in their stomachs (see Creation magazine for photos—we had only one-off permission for some of them).
4) Many processes, which we have been told take millions of years, do not need such time-spans at all.
a) Coal formation.
Argonne National Laboratories have shown that heating wood (lignin, its major component), water and acidic clay at 150°C (rather cool geologically) for 4 to 36 weeks, in a sealed quartz tube with no added pressure, forms high-grade black coal.4
b) Stalactites and stalagmites.
Many examples in Creation magazine have shown that cave decorations form quickly, given the right conditions. The photo (in Creation magazine) is of a mining tunnel in Mt Isa, Queensland, Australia. The tunnel was only 50 years old when the photo was taken.
Opal made by Dr Len Cram
c) Opals.
Despite the common teaching that it takes millions of years to form opal, Australian researcher Len Cram has long been growing opal in his backyard laboratory. His opal (photo right, by Dr Cram) is indistinguishable, under the electron microscope, from that mined in the field. He was awarded an honorary doctorate (by a secular university) for this research. All he does is mix together the right common chemicals — no heat, no pressure, and definitely no millions of years.
d) Rock and fossil formation.
Fossilized tree in Yellowstone National Park (photo by Clyde Webster)
Scientists have long known that petrifaction can happen quickly. The ‘petrified’ bowler hat (below right, by Renton Maclachlan) is on display in ‘The Buried Village’, an open air museum dedicated to the Mt Tarawera eruption, in New Zealand. The photo (below left) shows a roll of no. 8 fencing wire which, in only 20 years, became encased in solid sandstone, containing hundreds of fossil shells. Petrified wood can also form quickly under the right conditions—one process has even been patented.5
Fossilized fencing wire Fossilized bowler hat (photo by Renton Maclachlan)
The famous multiple levels of ‘fossil forests’ in America’s Yellowstone National Park (photo right, by Clyde Webster) have now been shown to have formed in one volcanic event.6 Successive mudflows transported upright trees (minus most of their roots and branches) whose tree-ring signatures confirm that they grew at the one time.
5) The oceans are nowhere near salty enough.
Each year, the world’s rivers and underground streams add millions of tonnes of salt to the sea, and only a fraction of this goes back onto the land. Using the most favourable possible assumptions for long-agers, the absolute maximum age of the oceans is only a tiny fraction of their assumed billions-of-years age.7
Despite some inevitable unsolved problems in such a complex issue (see below for why radiometric dating is not infallible), it is thus not hard to establish:
i) The reasonableness of believing what the Creator of the world says in His Word, the Bible, about the world being thousands, not millions or billions, of years old.
ii) The fact that the earth neither ‘looks old’ nor ‘looks young’ as such—it all depends on the ‘glasses’ through which the evidence is interpreted. We all need to be aware of how much we have been conditioned by our culture to ‘see’ geological things as ‘looking old’. |
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Darin, you've had a bit too much kool aid to drink. I'm not even going to waste my time here anymore.
But I will say yes, I have been brainwashed by public education, because it's all part of their agenda! They want to ban God! Geographic impressions- LIES Carbon dating- LIES! It's all lies! The only truth in this world anymore is the bible. You should really be writing the board of education about this, this is an OUTRAGE!
If you honestly think that the only people without an agenda here are the "creation scientists" then I don't even know what to tell you.
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Darin,
You've had a streak of stupid lately. I'd take a break for a few days.
DRAGON88,
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LOL i love the arguements. Dragon makes a point with evidence Darins response is that "they are trying to hate on god".
Darin go back to dialup, you have been able to post way to much latley.
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Darin, Is the earthe the center of the universe? Do you believe that aswell?
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| Darin wrote: | There is credible evidence for a young earth. Since you weren't there, and I wasn't there, and the people you believe were'nt there. Then you are taking thier word for it. But there is a debate that you are unaware of I guess about the age of the earth. I have lisented to both sides. I choose to believe the young earth side of the debate. Besides the science that I believe to be accurate. It is Biblical. It is difficult to argue with people that have been fed a billions years old universe thier whoole lives and have maybe not even heard of or researched a young earth, so I don't. Period. But you feel comfortable with your belief in whatever you believe, so go ahead with that.
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Wow, a real live Young Earth Creationist. And he's even procreated and is home schooling his kids, that's more than a bit scary. |
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microman, And how much of the creation science have you read?
That's what I thought. 
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It's NOT science.
Do you also still belive that the universe revolves around Earth? Is Earth flat? These things are also "theorys" is it some kind of government conspiracy?
Nevermind I'm done.
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| Darin wrote: | | microman, And how much of the creation science have you read? |
DRAGON88 summed it up quite well.
Believing in a god is one thing, believing that the earth is less than 10K years old means totally suspending the use of one's mental faculties. |
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microman, Might aswell try to get blood from a rock.
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