RALEY OR KEEP TRYING BACKROLL???~~~

OKIEBOARDER · Newbie Joined: 22 Jun 2006 Posts: 10 City: newalla

Ok i have tried a backroll a dozen times and get close but not close enough......I have been sore all summer from trying it! What do yall think about trying a raley instead????? I can nail hs fs 180 and 75% of the time hs fs 360's. Is a raley to advanced for me? If not give me pointers so i dont bust my ass too bad.

jpminter · Posted: Jul 18, 2006 12:41 pm Post subject:

If you want to try something besides a backroll, try a tantrum, not a raley.

OKIEBOARDER · Newbie Joined: 22 Jun 2006 Posts: 10 City: newalla

Isn't a tantrum harder than a backroll?

bobmurph · Outlaw Joined: 18 Apr 2006 Posts: 151 City: Atlanta

Dude, if you're not afraid of taking some seriously hard falls trying a raley then I say go for it.

I was out Sunday afternoon just watching some other boats pull riders. One dude was just doing HS W2W w/ some grabs...nothing else...then out of nowhere he threw a HUGE raley...board out totally behind and above him. It looked f*cking awesome. He got about 75% of they way to having the board back underneath him too. Everyone on their boat went apesh*t...it was sweet.

The Book says to take it to the tramp first...but other than that *supposedly* (keep in mind i've never done one) you just need to be able to take your W2W way out into the flats w/ a good hard progressive edge, and to get the board back underneath you just push the handle down toward the water and it swings you back down like a pendulum.

Robert Harp · Guest

yeah, raley spills are NASTY. you are coming down from 8 feet in the air at 20+mph, then you catch that toeside edge.... dude, they look sick as hell, but god would that hurt.

OUwakeboarder · Outlaw Joined: 16 Dec 2004 Posts: 153 City: Moore/Norman

where do you ride at, I go T-bird and Draper a lot, maybe I could give you some tips at the lake.

Jop · Newbie Joined: 19 Jul 2006 Posts: 1

If you wanna learn a Raley, try it behind cable before doing it behind the boat. The take-off is a different technique but at least this way you can learn how to pull back before trying it behind a boat. It'll still hurt but a lot less Wink

About the tantrum, I have to say that I find pulling off a tantrum behind boat a lot easier than the backroll, but that's different for each person I guess. A tantrum is very easy to practise on a trampoline though, a lot easier than the backroll.

7islands · Newbie Joined: 09 Jul 2006 Posts: 19 City: St. Raymond

Yeah I find that tantrums a much easier than backrolls, I can land tantrum 100% of the time, as for backroll...im still trying to get them down, i have landed about 2 in 100s of trys

now im all dedicated in landing a backroll, thats all i am doing in my ride as it is getting ridiculus not to land them, especially because my only problem is dropping the handle...

n8+1 · Newbie Joined: 19 Jun 2006 Posts: 10 City: Richmond

nerdy nate in tha house: i'm gonna work out the physics of a raley just to figure out exactly what forces your face experiences when you catch that toeside edge on the landing. keep in mind it's much more than 20+ mph: you have your raley cut which should be roughly 10-13 mph coming in, then you have the impact velocity of hitting the water from an 8ft fall. all those vectors add up to straight up pain. i'll be back w/ the numbers later Very Happy

Chad Chinners · Newbie Joined: 30 Mar 2006 Posts: 35 City: Moncks Corner

Yeah Okie, the hardest thing about the raley is the falls when learning it. It hurts. But if you are wanting to try it learn it on the tramp then the wakeskate. It'll take some of the pain out of the falls for you.

Wakebrad · Ladies Man Joined: 11 Dec 2003 Posts: 12257 City: Dallas

I'd work on a tantrum before a raley. But if you're insane and looking for some pain go for it.

jpminter · Posted: Jul 19, 2006 8:40 am Post subject:

HAHAHA, n8+1, you nerdy engineer you. Don't forget about the angular velocity about the tower and then after you catch an edge, the angular velocity of yo face about the board. I bet I can work up the numbers faster than you!!! LMAO

n8+1 · Newbie Joined: 19 Jun 2006 Posts: 10 City: Richmond

holy stuff paul, we're not about to start up the ti-86 duels on the wakeboard forums!!

jpminter · Posted: Jul 19, 2006 9:28 am Post subject:

I only got my ti-83 plus but it is in my hip holster ready to go!

a-shep1190 · Newbie Joined: 18 Jul 2006 Posts: 6

i think that a tantrum and backroll are a lot easier than a raley. just make sure that on your back rolls you land on your heelside edge with your board perpendicular to the wake and that you are not under rotating. i would try to learn the tantrum or stick the back roll before you go for the raley.

n8+1 · Newbie Joined: 19 Jun 2006 Posts: 10 City: Richmond

way to ruin me and paul's battle, shep!! Evil or Very Mad

jpminter · Posted: Jul 19, 2006 9:49 am Post subject:

yeah way to ruin it! stupid wb.com newbies... Evil or Very Mad

JK!

I might actually have to go and figure out how fast you're going when yo face slaps the water on a raley attempt when you catch a toeside edge.

OKIEBOARDER · Newbie Joined: 22 Jun 2006 Posts: 10 City: newalla

YEa my problem with the back roll is dropping the rope during rotation and then under rotating. So I think I will try to huck a tantrum this week! Any pointers before I give it a try? I have never attempted it though.

Yea I ride at T-bird a lot. Did you go out there last year with the backyard tour w/ shaun murray? I would love all of the pointers I could get.

jpminter · Posted: Jul 19, 2006 10:32 am Post subject:

Ok, so here's the deal. I'm assuming an avg boat speed of about 23 mph. I approximated a rider doing a raley to travel at least 15 feet in one second which is 10.2 mph so Nate's assumption of 10-13 mph is good. I'm going to use 12mph. If you assume a height of 8 feet on a raley then that means by the time the rider comes down, he'll be doing about 15.5 mph vertically. I'm assuming a 75' rope. Pretty average if you ask me. Someone doing a raley will land in the flats, so I'm gonna say 20 feet further than directly behind the boat. 75' and 20' make an angle of 75 degrees from straight ahead (the direction the boat is traveling). So with 23mph boat speed and 12mph rider speed (at 75 degrees), that makes a horizontal total of 28.6 mph. Once you introduce the vector from falling vertically (15.5mph), you get a grand total of 32.5 mph, but that's just before you hit the water. Now if you catch an edge, your face will actually be traveling much faster than 32.5mph probably. That's a little bit harder to estimate. Nate, you wanna give it a shot? Laughing

hco · Posted: Jul 19, 2006 11:30 am Post subject:

Either way, the numbers equate to you getting enough pain to want to stop riding for that day. I do not know how someone could do a raley on a tramp, I don't know how they would keep the tension so they don't eat it on the way down.

Wakebrad · Ladies Man Joined: 11 Dec 2003 Posts: 12257 City: Dallas

hco · Posted: Jul 19, 2006 1:34 pm Post subject:

I understand that, but when I have tried I always lose tension somehow. Not like I will be attempting a raley soon, so it's not a big issue.

hwake · Newbie Joined: 19 Jul 2006 Posts: 8

jpminter if you or anybody here knows how much force a winch exerts on the rider, we could assume it would be the same force the boat exerts (this way we could avoid calculating the water resistance on the board, etc.). Then, we could calculate the angular velocity on his face, and add it to the speed he already has... so if you're tall, it will be that more painful.

Last weekend out on the lake my friend tried one for the first time, but didn't pull down fast enough and landed on his chest. He couldn't breathe after the landing. He was scared to go big for the rest of the day. The raley is more about balls than technique IMHO.

bmh2208 · Posted: Jul 23, 2006 9:12 pm Post subject:

I have tried tantrums a couple of times but never got it down. A buddy of mine does them like 8 times each run, so I needed a different trick to learn as not to bore everyone.

I have been trying a raley for about 4 years now. It wasn't until this year that I really started to focus on stomping the trick. It's true, the first couple of times you will eat it real bad. I have two broken ribs from attempts. Each one from a different try.

Just last week I finally landed my first raley, fully laid out feet way above the head. All I can say, is that if you are gonna try it, go balls out. That was the hardest thing for me to do was get up the balls to let it out. I think now, that I am getting pretty close to being able to consistently hitting it.....

And I can't even do a tantrum.

J_DOGG · Posted: Jul 24, 2006 9:11 am Post subject:

You should just skip to the S-Bend and call it a day.....

ontrider · Ladies Man Joined: 30 Jul 2003 Posts: 16491 City: Russia

hyperlite58 · Outlaw Joined: 15 Mar 2006 Posts: 228

personally... i think a tantrum is a lot easier than a back roll...plus the wipe outs are alot less severe...it took me about 10 trys to land my first tantrum and it is a sick feeling