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"One of my chief complaints about wakeboarders (and some skiers) is the incessant noise they create with motors and blaring music from their giant speakers mounted in the top of the boats. Most summer days this starts at 6 a.m. and continues past sundown."
i love it.
eh, its a public water way, we can do as we please, if you have an issue, heres a issue!
where i board, a section of the river that has houses and cottages, is a no wake zone, to prevent shoreline errosion, everyone respects it, we just travel a mile down the river and were in the clear
i wish she could look at it the other way. shes being greedy by wanting no one to use the river so she can entertain her guests
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numbskullvp
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I have been wakeboarding on the Willamette River for almost ten years now. I have seen how this sport has not only grown through the industry but right here on our local waters. I have to say, that ignorance is ignorance no matter what sport you are on the water to enjoy. From wakeboarding, skiers, tubers, and personnel water craft alike I have witness stupidity by either the rider or the drivers. They want to say that wakeboarding boats cause so much damage to their docks from just wakeboarding boats, but on a daily basis the barges from Ross Island go up and down the Willamette creating a wake we can only dream of from our boats. I also find it hard to believe that the natural rise and fall of the water from summer to winter is even close to the wakes we create as well. In fact with her concern toward the amount of traffic beign dangerous, do to the ever growing price of gas the times that I have been at the river this year I think I have seen a third of what the traffic was last year if not two years ago.
I think if you don’t like baseball you shouldn’t have a home close to the ballpark. If you don’t like kids, don’t live next to a school. If you don’t want to share a public water space… go by some land and build your own. But I am a strong believer in treat other as you should be treated and some disrespect does occur with their property and the noise ordinance, that should stop and let everybody enjoy the water.
That's my two cents, if anybody gave a penny for my thought.
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| numbskullvp wrote: | I have been wakeboarding on the Willamette River for almost ten years now. I have seen how this sport has not only grown through the industry but right here on our local waters. I have to say, that ignorance is ignorance no matter what sport you are on the water to enjoy. From wakeboarding, skiers, tuber, and personnel water craft alike I have witness stupidity by either the rider or the drivers. They want to say that wakeboarding boats cause so much damage to their docks but on a daily basis the barges from Ross Island go up and down the Willamette creating a wake we can only dream of from our boats. I also find it hard to believe that the natural rise and fall of the water from summer to winter is even close to our wakes as well. In fact with her concern toward the amount of traffic, do to the ever growing price of gas, the times that I have been at the river I think I have seen a third of what the traffic was last year if not two. I think if you don’t like baseball you shouldn’t have a home close to the ballpark. If you don’t like kids, don’t live next to a school. If you don’t want to share a public water space… go by some land and build your own. But I am a strong believer in treat other as you should be treated and some disrespect does occur with their property and the noise ordinance, that should stop and let everybody enjoy the water.
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very well said, dont live by the PUBLIC water if your not willing to share it!
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I say let the wakeboarders do their thing where conditions are best, like the Pacific Ocean!
No need to weigh your boat down there -- the wake comes naturally.
Cindy Johnson and her family have lived along the Willamette River near Butteville for eight years.
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| Quote: | "One of my chief complaints about wakeboarders (and some skiers) is the incessant noise they create with motors and blaring music from their giant speakers mounted in the top of the boats. Most summer days this starts at 6 a.m. and continues past sundown."
i love it.
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That's the kind of stupid response that gives wakeboarders a bad name. You have to learn to work with property owners or they will eventually get their way and you can spend your time boarding somewhere else. There are several people on this site that live on lakes that have pretty much become private because of similar issues. I agree with her on the noise issues. When I'm at the lake sitting on the dock at 7:00, I don't want to hear some dumba$$es music as he goes by. Get an Ipod, put it in a waterproof pouch, and turn it up as loud as you want. I don't want to hear your crappy taste in music. That also goes for sitting at home on my front porch. You're never going to please everyone (and probably not this lady either), but you have to work to please the majority or your a$$ will have to find another place to ride.
As far as the waves go, if their are barges on the river then don't say a word about the wake a boat throws. I would also bet there are big cruisers throwing much larger wakes than any wakeboard boat could throw.
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| brew wrote: | | Quote: | "One of my chief complaints about wakeboarders (and some skiers) is the incessant noise they create with motors and blaring music from their giant speakers mounted in the top of the boats. Most summer days this starts at 6 a.m. and continues past sundown."
i love it.
eh, its a public water way, we can do as we please, if you have an issue, heres a issue! |
That's the kind of stupid response that gives wakeboarders a bad name. You have to learn to work with property owners or they will eventually get their way and you can spend your time boarding somewhere else. There are several people on this site that live on lakes that have pretty much become private because of similar issues. I agree with her on the noise issues. When I'm at the lake sitting on the dock at 7:00, I don't want to hear some dumba$$es music as he goes by. Get an Ipod, put it in a waterproof pouch, and turn it up as loud as you want. I don't want to hear your crappy taste in music. That also goes for sitting at home on my front porch. You're never going to please everyone (and probably not this lady either), but you have to work to please the majority or your a$$ will have to find another place to ride.
As far as the waves go, if their are barges on the river then don't say a word about the wake a boat throws. I would also bet there are big cruisers throwing much larger wakes than any wakeboard boat could throw. |
this girls woot is just in a knot. its a public waterway. if there is no noise control then her complaints arnt valid, now if there was a noise level in effect such as there is for cars with bass. then i can see her issue. if she dosent like it, she shouldnt have chose to have her back yard on a buisy waterway.
you dont change your suroundings to compliment you , you move so your suroundings compliment you.
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| Quote: | | if there is no noise control then her complaints arnt valid, now if there was a noise level in effect such as there is for cars with bass |
Even if there is no noise ordinance, you should still be respectful of the people that live where you are boarding. Go find a cove or other area that has no houses on it and listen to your music as loud as you want. If you are in an area with houses, then show some respect for those people.
| Quote: | | you dont change your suroundings to compliment you , you move so your suroundings compliment you. |
I would imagine that when she moved there, these things weren't an issue. Like I said before, nothing is going to make her happy I would imagine. However, I would doubt she is the only one with complaints and when those people become the majority, then people that board in that area will likely have a problem.
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It's called respect though, I agree with brew about the music issue. On Lake Burton up in Georgia, we go riding at 7 in the morning sometimes, and there are houses covering the sides of the lake, but we don't blare music. It's common sense that it would wake someone up, and why would you want to do that, so they think you're cool?  In the afternoon, I couldn't see complaints with noise being an issue, but to say that she shouldn't have chosen to have her backyard on a busy waterway is kind of an ignorant thing to say.
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| Ha, you beat me to the post brew.
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Dip_Krew
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| david-d wrote: | | It's called respect though, I agree with brew about the music issue. On Lake Burton up in Georgia, we go riding at 7 in the morning sometimes, and there are houses covering the sides of the lake, but we don't blare music. It's common sense that it would wake someone up, and why would you want to do that, so they think you're cool? In the afternoon, I couldn't see complaints with noise being an issue, but to say that she shouldn't have chosen to have her backyard on a busy waterway is kind of an ignorant thing to say. |
ok ill admit, blaring music at 7am is disespectful, but shes talking about from 6am till sunset.
either way though, wakeboard motors? com on, any large engine boat makes noise. and the ones that make lots of noise arnt even wake boats!
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| I'll agree that some of the points made in that article are kind of bogus...She just sounds like an angry woman who would be happy if someone came up to her dock and apologized.
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| david-d wrote: | | I'll agree that some of the points made in that article are kind of bogus...She just sounds like an angry woman who would be happy if someone came up to her dock and apologized. |
i half expected her to say it was distrupting her sex life!
im willing to bet, she is opposite what u think. if someone came to her and apologised, she would realise she is in the right and BAM, fat angry white chick on a rampage!!!
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HHI Dave
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Some of her points are valid (blasting music early in the morning)
Others are idiotic (Pacific ocean)
I'm new to wakeboarding but I've been into shooting and motorcycles most of my life. Both of these activities inspire far more controversy than wakeboarding ever will.
I will say that public opinion is a strong force. We as boarders/boaters have a responsibility to each other to at least TRY to co-exist peacefully with people like this letter writer. Obviously, you can't please all of the people all of the time, but every time some oafish boarder rips through a no-wake zone with hip hop blaring from the tower speakers early in the AM, we get one step closer to being legislated out of existence.
My .02 worth. 
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| Inboards are much quieter than outboards and inboard outboards, but i dunno if she knew that
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Just because something is public property doesn't mean you can "do as you please." There are laws and rules that govern everything we do in this Country. They apply to parks, lakes, rivers, beaches, etc. Don't ever forget that. Why do you think noise ordinances are passed in the first place? If there wasn't a noise problem to begin with, the laws would never be written. Keep blaring your music, doing as you please, and you will only bring more supporters to this woman's cause. Show a little responsibility and treat people, property, and nature with a little respect. I hate to admit it, but wakeboarding is a privelege, not a right. Abuse any privelege and it will soon be taken away.
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numbskullvp
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| Posted: Jul 10, 2006 4:51 pm Post subject: Noise!! |
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Sorry Lyle  I didn't mean for this board to get out of hand.
All I can say is that the noise issue applies to land and water... it is set by distance and is a state ordinance. Not county or city, though they may have a preceding one that may even be stricter.
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| Posted: Jul 10, 2006 4:57 pm Post subject: Re: Noise!! |
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| numbskullvp wrote: | Sorry Lyle I didn't mean for this board to get out of hand.
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ha! were practially all in bed with eachother were getting along so well!
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Lyle
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All I was wondering is if someone has her email address. My brother-in-law works for a SPAM company and I just wanted to pass her email address on to him.
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| In that case, your brother in law can lick my nuts.
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hco
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| Haha, nicely said dirty. People should go and get some "non-wakeboarding" boats, load them up with fat sacs, towers, speakers, and then go by her dock over and over again in the morning. Gives us a bad name, but it's not like it would change anything. Technically my families Malibu LXi is a world class skiboat, but it can still put out a good wake.
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| Posted: Jul 11, 2006 9:18 am Post subject: |
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I love this, Brew does all my posting for me. I don't have to say a word. 
Be respectful regardless of whether or not it's a public place. No need to be an ass, just because you can.
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She is clearly very ignorant, thinking it's just wakeboarders compromises her complaint right from the get go.
I live on a lake and I'm the president of our Lake Association, sure we have power but with in reason. The state owns the lake not us, we only own (as a group) all the property surrounding the lake. People just get on power trips and have no clue what they are talking about.
I hear complaints about wakeboard boats all the time, very funny since I'm one of the 3 guys on the lake with true wakeboats. It's always from the people that refuse to admit that every boat makes a wake. They make themselves look like fools every time they open their mouth to complain. "we are going to start a petition" well great, what is the petition about? "preventing wakeboats on the lake" cool, so sacking out a 1986 2001 hull nautique ski boat is OK? dumb look is returned as they have no clue what I just said. They see tower and thats all. These are also the people that refuse to pony up $400 for a set of whips to protect their 24 foot 15K pontoon boat. When you strap your boat to the dock it is going to bang against the dock wake or not, numb nutts!
With all that said a sound ordinance can be placed fairly easy since it controls all sound and is not specific to just sounds coming from the NEED FOR SPEED GUY or the Checkmate with the 5k stereo guy. It's when they try to get very specific "wakeboat" their whole argument falls flat and is never going any place fast.
Heck our state (NH) just did away with the swim platform permit requirement cuz they couldn't enforce it. All they can do now is check the distance off shore and we all know boaty isn't going to waste his time with that unless you drop the thing 100 feet out and he gets a complaint.
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b_girl
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"We have seen erosion along our property in terms of feet every summer. "
That's gotta be my favourite sentence in that whole article. I'm not from that area and have never been there, but I would imagine that if her property is losing "feet" to erosion every summer, that soon she won't have any property left.. I have a feeling she may be exaggerating slightly. Complaints are much more effective if you actually use true facts and not fabrications!
And that's my 2 cents.
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Wow, I just got more and more angry as I read down this article.
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In speaking with neighbors here, we all agree that our docks, boat lifts, pilings, etc., are becoming so damaged that it seems not worth it to continue to repair them.
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This is almost comical. My family has lived on a relatively busy lake for 18 years and had a dock for over 15, our dock has recieved ZERO damage from wakes unless you count replacing 5 dollar teflon rings on the floater every 2 years (routine maintainance). The funniest part is boat lifts and pilings. BOAT LIFTS ARE OUT OF THE WATER!!! And pilings are 1 foot thick pieces of solid wood! They arent going to be damaged by water moving up and down!!!
| Quote: | | incessant noise they create with motors and blaring music from their giant speakers mounted in the top of the boats. Most summer days this starts at 6 a.m. and continues past sundown. |
WOW! Your little 5 hp weedwacker engines on your rowboats and pontoon boats create twice as much noise as our inboard engines with high tech muffler systems. 6am! STOP EXAGGERATING! The only people I know that would go out at the crack of dawn are older wakeboarders who would know to keep the music down. Some times of the year, its not even light at 6am! GEEZ! There may be a very small number of riders who do have music on at 7 or 8 am. Sorry but it happens. Airplanes wake me up early in the a.m. sometimes. So does people mowing their lawns. You gotta deal with it.
| Quote: | | I would like to get the worst offenders' addresses and park my car in front of their houses and blast my stereo into their homes. |
Thatll show us! What a high level of maturity... Way to solve the problem.
| Quote: | | We cannot enjoy being in our yard, on our dock or entertaining friends without having to shout to hear one another. |
ONCE AGAIN, STOP EXAGGERATING! The music isnt loud enough to have to shout if the boat is heeding the 50/100ft rule. Its no louder than having a stereo on in the background. If they arent obeying the 50/100ft law, then take action! You have a point! Otherwise, be quiet because tower speakers simply arent that loud when your hundreds of feet away (maybe in the boat, but not that far away).
| Quote: | | I am afraid she will get tossed back into the dock. |
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!  Wow, just listen to yourself. If your child is wearing a life jacket, which they should be if theyre in the water at that young of an age, they will simply bob up and down when waves go by. Please send me a video of a boat wake throwing someone onto a dock! (Were not talking about Jaws or Pipeline here)
| Quote: | | Rivers weren't meant to have such big waves on them, and I have seen the effect of them on fishing blue herons, ospreys, eagles and kingfishers. |
You forgot a comma after fishing. Maybe rivers werent meant to have wakes this big. Are you going to just ask the entire US economy to stop shipping goods in Oregon? Barges and freighters make big wakes too. So do cabin cruisers...why arent you on their case?
| Quote: | | We have seen erosion along our property in terms of feet every summer. |
As said before, if your not exaggerating again ( ) then you should have moved by now or build a sea wall because half of your property would be gone.
| Quote: | I say let the wakeboarders do their thing where conditions are best, like the Pacific Ocean!
No need to weigh your boat down there -- the wake comes naturally. |
x10000000. This is so hilariously ignorant that I almost passed out when I read it! If your going to hate wakeboarding, dont say something so stupid as that! Get your facts straight. You might as well ask some hockey players to go play in a freezer. Theres lots of ice there!
I could go on ALL DAY about this article but Ill spare you guys, I think Ive already made one of the longest posts in wb.com history. Sorry, just had to vent!
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8824
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Lyle,
I think smokers degrade our country every hour on the hour, the smoke, the garbage, the potential for fires.
did i mention the strain on the healthcare system? I am willing to bet that people that are complaining are also smoking on their docks while the wakeboard boats go by.
let's ban smoking!
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| LFADAM- Great post, I completely agree.
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mskier01
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That woman sounds like the people that first complained when snowboarding got big up here in the northeast. I agree with past posts, if you are going to file a complaint get your f'ing facts right.
Sorry for the language that woman is probably one of those angry old women in her mumu (sp?) while watering her plants which she planted too close to the shore to begin with and yelling at her neighbors for having friends over that stay up past 9pm.
I grew up going up to the Saint Lawrence River between NY and Canada and saw those women around everywhere!
Thankfully I ride on a lake in VT now and we haven't had any problems. Good luck to those in Oregon I hope this lady isnt taken seriously out there!
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| muckmeister wrote: | Lyle,
I think smokers degrade our country every hour on the hour, the smoke, the garbage, the potential for fires.
did i mention the strain on the healthcare system? I am willing to bet that people that are complaining are also smoking on their docks while the wakeboard boats go by.
let's ban smoking! |
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jpk
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Newspapers will print anything these days. They are rapidly losing subscribers and ad business, due to people getting tired of the lack of standards in their journalism. Pretty much the entire paper is full of garbage news just like this. No one is buying the paper for anything other than kindling for campfires, so I wouldn't worry about this story sparking any kind of wakeboard boat ban.
Now, if this lady forms a PAC and starts donating millions to some senator, then you should be very worried.
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LFADAM, I concur 110%.... Amen
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| Blaring your stereo EARLY is being a more than rude.
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Lyle
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