Critique my form on this video of a failed 360 :(

Mariner · Guest

Take a look at this video and let me know what I am doing wrong. I land a decent wake to wake jump and then I come close (sort of) to landing a 360. I appreciate any suggestions you have!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXutj0ji_XI

J_DOGG · Posted: Jun 14, 2006 9:02 am Post subject:

1st - You need to learn how to wake jump TS....
more important than learning the HS 3 IMO....

Very basic analysis with out giving you too much stuff to think about.
You are not pulling the handle to your hip you are spining to the handle..

Stop doing the crazy waterskier cut away from the wake,,, very Wally-esq....

burntorange77 · Soul Rider Joined: 31 Jan 2006 Posts: 321 City: Kingwood

J_DOGG,
I've been seeing this "Wally" reference a lot lately in postings and I honestly don't know what that is referring to. Could someone please enlighten a newbie?

Sorry Mariner for crashing your post.

5280HighButter · Soul Rider Joined: 16 Mar 2005 Posts: 258 City: Littleton

Definitions of Wally on the Web:

stupid, foolish person

a silly and inept person; someone who is regarded as stupid

5280HighButter · Soul Rider Joined: 16 Mar 2005 Posts: 258 City: Littleton

Oh and Mariner...no offense, but I don't think you should be trying 3's right now, work on your HS and TS cuts and get 180's + some grabs down 100%. The whole trick from start to finish needs to be re-worked. If you are still dead set on doing it then search the 500+ posts that have been created on the basics of the 3. I'm just saying this based on what I saw in the video, I could be totally wrong, sorry.

Mitchell · Posted: Jun 14, 2006 10:00 am Post subject:

LOL Wally "I just cut in as hard as i can and just launch...sweet

Mariner · Guest

Thanks for your input. J Dogg, how am i supposed to cut out into the flat? One problem I think I am having is not getting far enough out into the flat to get enough speed on my progressive edge back to the wake. any suggestions there?

BurntOrange - quit being a Wally and crashing people's posts.
Puppy Eyes

jpminter · Posted: Jun 14, 2006 11:38 am Post subject:

All J Dogg was trying to say is that you should only have to cut away from the wake for like 1-2 seconds to get far enough out. You kept leaning and leaning. You don't really need to be far out there. And I also agree that you should work on going w2w ts and learning some 180s first. The 3 will come easier if you have these other things dialed first.

stompin7s · Posted: Jun 14, 2006 1:02 pm Post subject:

OOOOHHHH HE HAD IT

Wake2face · Criminal Joined: 14 Jun 2006 Posts: 50 City: East Coast

their right, 180s first, but if your gonna do it anyway then pull to the hip and fully commit to the handle. If you cant get the handle then you need to think..pull toward the boat

hyyperlitesonofabitch · Outlaw Joined: 31 May 2006 Posts: 132 City: Seneca

mariner, NOT LIKE THAT. haha. just dont lean that far over. use ur knees and tilt the board. not so much leaning, bro. hope I helped. as for the 360, u let go AND are not pulling the handle.

Mariner · Guest

thanks for the tips, dudes. I do need to work on my edging with more of a boarder technique and less of a skier technique.

btw, that is the famous burntorange77 that can be heard with the "oohh, he had it!"

J_DOGG · Posted: Jun 15, 2006 8:47 am Post subject:

waterjunky · Posted: Jun 15, 2006 8:47 am Post subject:

Don't let anyone tell you what tricks to learn when. You are close on this one. Keep tring it. You are over-rotating a little because you are sort of hucking the spin. The 3 spin should happen real slow.

Riding is about you and you want to do next. Sure, the toeside jump is important. I should have worked on mine way before I did, but that was my decision. Do what you feel comfortable with.

last week I rode with a beginner wakeboarder. He also happens to be an awsome snowboarder. He threw down a heelside front flip, but could not do a toeside w-w or heelside 180. Does that mean he shouldn't continue doing the front flip... I ride with guys that do all sorts of trick, but not the front flip and this beginner showed us all up.

Do what will make you enjoy your riding more.

My 2 cents.

bluefish86 · Posted: Jun 15, 2006 1:08 pm Post subject:

I skimmed through all the answers, and I don't think anyone has mentioned this yet:

Concentrate hard on passing the handle. You have to bring your front hand around to get it, and don't let go with your back hand until your front gets it. You can't make a handle pass if your front hand is above your head.

ripava82 · Newbie Joined: 08 Jun 2006 Posts: 37 City: Grass Valley

you were lucky every time i try a 3 i eat it hella hard and faceplant you barely fell

burntorange77 · Soul Rider Joined: 31 Jan 2006 Posts: 321 City: Kingwood

ripava82,
I was there filming all of his attempts, and trust me, there were some rough landings.

Mariner · Guest

bluefish,
nice work with the screenshot. Obviously you raise a good point about focusing on the handle pass.

ripava82,
you've just got to go hard and understand that some beautiful faceplants will precede success. I do try to avoid what I call "ocular enemas."

burntorange77,
what is the swimming w/ bow-legged women all about? you t-sips. I never know with you kids.

_Jason_ · Soul Rider Joined: 15 Dec 2004 Posts: 275

Just focus on the handle pass.. rest will pull you around. Its also somewhat easier for others to pass under there butt. Might want to give it a go...

Craig-R · Guest

hyyperlitesonofabitch · Outlaw Joined: 31 May 2006 Posts: 132 City: Seneca

goinbig143 · Addict Joined: 20 Feb 2005 Posts: 659 City: Wonder lake

You held your edge fairly well coming in, so that is a plus.

A couple of problems you need to tend to are....
1. put some weight on your front foot. You look like you are putting all of your weight on your back foot... you are going to wind up either wearing yourself out or building up one giant leg.
riding switch may help that a little.

2. you are wearing yourself out on the toeside cut away from the wake. Start your cut out at the wake, and edge away hard and steady until you are out far enough. If you come off your edge and do not think you are far enough out to go w2w, come back to the wake and try again. It takes much more energy to get back on edge and cut out further than it takes to come into the wake and build momentum back out. Coming back into the wake and cutting out again will also help you build a rythem.
Cut way out in one motion, flatten the board out and coast for a couple of seconds, and then cut back in.

3. You are leaning away from the wake as you approach. that will throw you off axis.
You are supposed to be leaning back against the rope, not away from the wake. Keep your front shoulder over your front hip which should be over your front foot.

4. STAND TALL AT THE WAKE WITH BOTH LEGS!!!!!!! On the jump before your 360 attempt, you lean away from the wake and let your front foot get shot up at your body while you semi-stood with your back leg. Doing this negates your pop and renders your edge in worthless. it was all for nothing.
If you are 6' tall, then you should be standing with both legs and 6' tall as you leave the wake.

5. when you are ready, do a controlled wake to wake jump. At the peak of your jump, use both hands to pull the handle to your rear hip(which initiates the spin) and look over your lead shoulder(which assists the spin). Pass the handle across the small of your back with your back hand, and reach for it with your front hand. During the whole trick, your hands should never rise above your sternum. Keep them low and close to your body.

Work on developing a solid w2w... that will give you alot more time in the air and alow you to control your movements with the handle alone.
Good Luck!

hyyperlitesonofabitch · Outlaw Joined: 31 May 2006 Posts: 132 City: Seneca

goinbig143, alot of people also say to NOT look down. I forgot what it does but it does something screwy so dont do it.

wtbamoomba · Addict Joined: 10 Sep 2003 Posts: 808 City: raleigh

looking down might throw you off axis

Mariner · Guest

goinbig143,
that's good stuff. i think i definitely do have more weight on my back leg. Perhaps I am subconciously trying to avoid the nose of the board going underwater? Obviously, it's not good, b/c after I ride a while my right leg is super fatigued and shaky.

I'm guessing a more even weight distribution will probably fix other problems as well.
thanks.

cdebodt44 · Newbie Joined: 19 Jun 2006 Posts: 3

I agree with waterjunky too whatever tricks you want wakeboarding is about having fun man and hangin with ur buds you don't have to listen to those guys sayin you have to learn ts wtw jumps first just chill man and have a good one

peace

goinbig143 · Addict Joined: 20 Feb 2005 Posts: 659 City: Wonder lake

Look down?
I do not beleive I said to look down. Looking over your shoulder = looking behind you.

goinbig143 · Addict Joined: 20 Feb 2005 Posts: 659 City: Wonder lake

goinbig143 · Addict Joined: 20 Feb 2005 Posts: 659 City: Wonder lake

Mariner · Guest

thanks goinbig, I am going to try that stuff this weekend. I also just got WakeTrix DVD and there's some really good instruction there. I wish I would have had something like that at the beginning as there are a few bad habits that I am going to have to unlearn.

hyyperlitesonofabitch · Outlaw Joined: 31 May 2006 Posts: 132 City: Seneca

kuehn · Outlaw Joined: 21 Sep 2003 Posts: 186 City: London. UK

Hi, hate to be a kiljoy but i dont think you should be trying 3s at all. im sorry if i have missed out on anything but there are so many answers in this forum.

Concentrate on your progressive edge and standing tall at the wake on both sides. it may be fun doing a flip or 360 but the objective at the end of the day is to ski away from the trick, be consistant and safe(injury free).
The edge for a 360 is also a little different to a normal wake jump.
By getting you to step backwards you will make a faster progression forwards. Doing a 360 smooth is one thing but a scrappy sloppy one looks terrible!

I dont mean to offend anyone here but any tips on 360s would be bad advice at this stage.

Go out as much as you can and have fun learning a good solid technique and develop yor own style that way all the help you need will be about the trick.

pointlessrider_01 · Newbie Joined: 06 Jun 2004 Posts: 7

stay more over your board when you cut in, also you need a handle pass when you get around the 180. from there it should be clean, i also recomend slowing the boat down just a little. good luck and ya get some toeside hits in.

burntorange77 · Soul Rider Joined: 31 Jan 2006 Posts: 321 City: Kingwood

I think you should give up wakeboarding all together. To be honest, you are a stinky turd of a wakeboarder. Wink

Mariner · Guest

burntorange77, that's it, we're fightin. Meet me on the Greenbelt after school. "O'Doyle, I got a feeling you're whole family is going down!"

kuehn, I was out this past weekend launching craptacular attempts at the 3 again. Perhaps you're right. I was also on my brand new board ('05 Premier) so I was getting used to that. Perhaps I am just reinforcing bad habits (i.e. crashing).