Thoughts on war?

fs04laoaksfny · Posted: Jan 20, 2003 8:32 am Post subject: Thoughts on war?

Whats the deal i think its bull bush is just following his pops foot steps we need a new president or something.

fs04laoaksfny · Posted: Jan 20, 2003 8:32 am Post subject:

ah damnit why the hell did i put yes i ment to put no lol

Heezey · Posted: Jan 20, 2003 10:11 am Post subject:

ooooooo...... 50/50. scary

ohsix · Posted: Jan 20, 2003 10:16 am Post subject:

i think we should because if we dont the same s#it will keep happening. saddam wont let inspectors in we give him a time extension then he will only let them in some places... its just an incessant cycle and someone needs to stop it.

Captain_Tripps · Soul Rider Joined: 12 Jan 2003 Posts: 260 City: Dallas

If you don't do it now. You are going to have to do it later.

For those out there that don't want to do it now, we can always wait till he has a nuke. Then he can kill 1000 times as many people as this conventional war will kill.

BigTimer · Posted: Jan 20, 2003 11:11 am Post subject:

Blow them off the f'n map.

impulse · Addict Joined: 13 Jan 2003 Posts: 807 City: Snyder,TX

i like that response
i think we should take care of business this time.

B-rad · Posted: Jan 20, 2003 11:52 am Post subject:

As a former vet, I truly belive that we should go in there and do it right this time. Sadman Insane is controling his section of the world with an Iron grip, I think it is time that the mad man is taken out of power. He has already failed the inspections, declarred false information and is under the IOC investagation as well. There is too much opperation going on in that part of the world as it is.

Partyb · Posted: Jan 20, 2003 12:18 pm Post subject:

I vote no. I am really not up for anymore americans dieing. Everyone of those young men is someone's son/daughter, not to mention fathers and husbands. I do not really see the need for war. If they are violating the UN mandates, blockade them and let them rot there until they comply or whatever. They live like cavemen over there, there is no way they can survive without food imports. If a war has to be fought, I think we should just bomb from the air, no ground troops.

BR_WB · Wakeboarder.com Freak Joined: 12 Jan 2003 Posts: 2850

I saw we should just go ahead and get it over with, I agree with PartyB, I think we should just do airstrikes, and no ground troops unless they are absolutley necessary. I give Bush props though, he's had more happen in his two years than most Presidents have in their whole term, I give him credit and I think he's doing a great job.
later,
brad

NAW · Posted: Jan 20, 2003 12:54 pm Post subject:

War is bad anyway you look at it. Although the argument could be made that the heart of the matter is oil, I hope this can be resolved peacefully, but if war is necessary, I think we should follow through until the end. However, the end would just be the start of a huge job in rebuilding and governing the whole country of Iraq.

I sure as hell don't envy Bush. I wonder if he's started drinking again....I know I would. Laughing

JHrod · Wakeboarder.com Freak Joined: 12 Jan 2003 Posts: 3144

hell no if we go to war we make sure that they are bombed into oblivion so bush III doesn't come along in 10 more years to fight again

jedsterr · Soul Rider Joined: 13 Jan 2003 Posts: 291 City: Star Idaho

Take care of business. Get Sadam out, establish new government, get back out when the government is stable.

As the above posts mentioned, if we don't do it now he will force us to do it later.

Sad. Necessary.

-Jed

Aubs · Motorboat Queen Joined: 12 Jan 2003 Posts: 9167

i hope they dont have a draft... Sad

bigairnut · Outlaw Joined: 13 Jan 2003 Posts: 172 City: Phoenix

I'm tired of all the peaceniks saying give peace a chance, give diplomacy a chance, we'll be killing innocent women and children, let's impose sanctions, well that's all crap. Obviously they're not interested in peace and sanctions do nothing except hurt the civilians. Under normal circumstances that might work because a rational and civilized leader cares about his people and would not want them to suffer. Saddam does not give a rat's ass about his people. I would guess that more Iraqis are dying everyday due to Sadam's policies and actions than would be killed in a war. Remember, we Americans are compassionate people (for the most part) and will go out of our way to minimize civilian casualites. Always have and always will. And besides, despite the sanctions that have been in place for the last 12 years, Iraq continues to export to and import from countries that have decided they need the trade more than they need to abide by the UN's resolutions. But guess who benefits from that trade? Saddam and his upper echelon of cronies, that's who. You think the Iraqi citizens see any of that? Doubtful. The only time peace works is when both sides want peace. They don't want peace with us...they want to KILL us because in their mind we are the devil and represent all that is wrong in the world. I agree to a certain extent with Partyb and the others who don't want to see any more Americans dying. And I don't have any kids so maybe I'm not qualified to say this, but my feeling is that I would be proud for my son or daughter to fight for the freedoms and liberties afforded us by the Founding Fathers. Would I want them to die?...of course not. But if they did, at least they died protecting the most important thing in the world, our freedom. We can sit back and take it...we can wait for another 9/11...we can give up everything that our forebears fought so hard to obtain. Or we can kick Saddam's ass and start sticking up for ourselves!

Jello John · Wakeboarder.Commie Joined: 12 Jan 2003 Posts: 1936

Aubs · Motorboat Queen Joined: 12 Jan 2003 Posts: 9167

i agree with you for the most part bigairnut. i just think it would be horrible for them to issue a draft because most of my friends would have to sign up. as much my mind believes that we should go to war, my heart doesn't want to.

bigairnut · Outlaw Joined: 13 Jan 2003 Posts: 172 City: Phoenix

Aubs, I understand where you're coming from. I don't want war any more than the next guy, but I want another 9/11 even less. The sad thing is that either way, there's likely to be another 9/11. A draft would suck and I would be completely amazed if it ever came to that. I will say this though, when (not if) we attack Iraq, it's possible that Iraq will attack Israel who will in turn attack the Palistinians (as well as fighting back against Iraq). If all that happens Syria and Iran will probably jump into the mix and it'll be a big freakin' mess. From there who knows what will happen. I think that it would take all this and much more before you ever see a draft. The reason there was a draft in the past is for the simple reason that it took more people to fight a war. With all the technology we've got today, a much more devastating war can be fought with a fraction of the troops.

Jello, ...well if he's not alive then he's not on the loose. Either way the war on terror has been successful for the most part. Who cares if Osama is alive or dead...if he's not dead, most of his top lieutenants are and he's on the run and in hiding and his manpower and training camps have been severely disrupted. Bush never said the war on terror was going to be quick, easy, or painless. This is but the next step in a process that will undoubtedly go on to some degree for the rest of our lives. As for the economy, presidentss always get more credit than they deserve and more blame than they deserve. The truth of the matter is that the economy was great during Clinton's years largely because of policies that were put into effect before he was elected and the same holds true for the current administration. Of course I could argue that for a lot of people the economy isn't so bad. One example, there are many people that can afford to buy a house today that couldn't before due to the lowest mortgage rates in the last 40 years. And you want evidence against Saddam? Well, I agree that we have not found a nuclear weapon, but how could we? For 12 years he defied the UN mandate that he allow unencumbered inspections. Now he is defying the latest UN resolution. Saddam wants war. He knows he will escape unscathed and he doesn't give a damn about "his" people. In his mind war with the US will bolster his position that WE are the evil ones. It's damned if we do and damned if we don't. If we fight we're the big bully (in their eyes and many of our own) and if we back off we're wimps. Guess what happens if we're wimps, we lose every bit of freedom that was won with the blood of all the men and women who died in the Revolutionary War, WWI, WWII, Korea, Vietnam, and Desert Storm. What a waste of life that would be.

bigairnut · Outlaw Joined: 13 Jan 2003 Posts: 172 City: Phoenix

One more thing, I think that when you post really long posts like mine have been, you should get bonus credit in your post count! Very Happy

C'mon Pat, bump me up a little!

Sarah · Outlaw Joined: 12 Jan 2003 Posts: 244 City: Manahawkin

all i have to say is i dont remeber anything this bad when clinton was our president...

ohsix · Posted: Jan 20, 2003 4:16 pm Post subject:

thats because clinton didnt give a $h!t about what saddam was doing. also he did tyr to do some crap right after all the monica stuff came up. it was called operation desert fox or something like that. when he bombed pakistan or maybe it was afghanistan.

bigairnut · Outlaw Joined: 13 Jan 2003 Posts: 172 City: Phoenix

So Sarah, are you saying that Bush is responsible for 9/11, the weak economy, and the fact that Saddam is a madman?

SupraBoarder · Posted: Jan 20, 2003 4:36 pm Post subject:

BigAirNut,
I couldn't agree with you more. Well put. I'd just like to touch on a few more things. First off, the United States Public have almost no clue what has been going on in Iraq and lately Afghanistan. I don't know if you realize this but 20 years from now, when everything has been declassified, our children are going to be reading a chapter on Saddam, the next hitler. Do you think during WWII the American public had any idea of the atrocious crimes being committed in Germany, Poland and other countries? NO. What I fear more than war is a conflict such as Vietnam. We did not have a set goal when we went in there and the Government was trying to please everyone here by not entering into a full blown war. When Bush senior went into Iraq he could've prevented this second coming from happening but he listened to the people whining about american presence in the middle east and withdrew without sending a wave of ground troops to wipeout everything that our smartbombs couldn't. Saddam knows that we have a policy to attack a military, and avoid civilian casualties at all costs. I feel bad for american marines and ground troops in urban combat because if the accidentally kill a civilian we hang them out to dry. Saddam has positioned many key parts of his military either underground or in buildings surrounded with civilian life, knowing that we see those targets as too risky to bomb. I believe that Saddam is a horrible man that should not be able to walk the face of this earth. He rules much like some of the worst dictators this world has seen and if we really were able to know the truth going on over there, I don't think there would be many people against a war in Iraq. Please trust our leaders that we have elected and know that they are acting in the best interest of us, Americans. I don't want our soldiers to come back to a country that is not greatful for everything they are doing for us.

Jam · Outlaw Joined: 14 Jan 2003 Posts: 141 City: Indy

Sarah, no you didn't hear anything this bad when clinton was the man. He never had any balls to stand on cause they were all up the interns. The man was a gutless wuss. Showing mercy to a mad man, and not being able to admit he was getting a little strange in the oval office. Men like that should never be on the balet, let alone in the office. I smoked pot in Collage but never inhaled. Bull fn Sh* t!!!!!!!!

Go to war get him out once and for all, Iserale(sp) has the most to loose cause we go after him he is going to let everything he has go off. What does he have to lose, his life. Ground troup is a must planes won't find him. nothing like a 40 to the head.

fs04laoaksfny · Posted: Jan 20, 2003 4:50 pm Post subject:

Yea no ground troops and most people would accept it....no one wants a draft....bush sr shoulda finished him off instead of bush jr doing it.or tring to atleast

Aubs · Motorboat Queen Joined: 12 Jan 2003 Posts: 9167

tho i personally loathe and despise Bush entirely... im willing to agree that he is trying to make sure that his decisions that he makes are 100% reasonable and logical. i would hate to see a draft come thru, and tho i hope it won't come down to that, u never kno. i do think that osama is still alive and that he's plotting something new against us.

9-11: my dad was supossed to have a meeting in the first tower that day, but it got cancelled the on the 10th. talk about luck huh?

ohsix · Posted: Jan 20, 2003 5:08 pm Post subject:

why do you hate bush aubs?

Aubs · Motorboat Queen Joined: 12 Jan 2003 Posts: 9167

i was never for him in the first place. i was for Gore. i just think that he was not the best candidate for the presidency. gore wasn't much better, but i thought he was more intelligent and had better plans than bush did.

anyone else think that hillary clinton will run in 2008?? i swear that she will and i hope that she wins. i think she's the smartest lady in the entire world. she knows what being president is like, and she helped her husband with many things during his presidency. yay hillary!!!

ohsix · Posted: Jan 20, 2003 5:18 pm Post subject:

what you're a sore loser? nah jk. i respect your opinion but i dont agree with it. maybe if you had a reason i would understand but i believe bush is actually a good guy, not the best public speaker i will agree but he's a lot smarter than most people give him credit for.

SupraBoarder · Posted: Jan 20, 2003 5:33 pm Post subject:

Sorry Aubs, Hillary will not become president. I could go into it but I really don't feel like typing all of that. As far as Gore goes, that man is a pathological liar. ex. While talking to a group of Teamsters, Gore told them he remembered when he was a kid, his parents would sing/hum the teamsters tune to him... Sorry Gore, the tune wasn't made till he was 23. He also said he invented the internet... I'm sorry but a guy as incompetent as to even say those things should never have the power to run for any office.

Jeff · Addict Joined: 13 Jan 2003 Posts: 678 City: Long Island

if we do go to war we better take ever drop of oil they have, im sick of $1.70 at the gas stations

Aubs · Motorboat Queen Joined: 12 Jan 2003 Posts: 9167

tho she may not become president, i think she is the best FEMALE candidate for it.

i can't even listen to bush talk. after all of those debates (the SNL skits on those are my fav.!!!) and hearing the mistakes that he makes, it just makes me wonder whether or not he knows what he's talkin about.

ohsix · Posted: Jan 20, 2003 5:43 pm Post subject:

dude why would hillary be the best female candidate for pres.? am i missin something here? what has she done that would qualify her for that position? explain your thoughts please aubs.

SupraBoarder · Posted: Jan 20, 2003 5:46 pm Post subject:

fs04laoaksfny,
I agree Bush sr should've done it before. And I think you're right about not having ground troops would gain public support. The problem with that is there is no way we will be able to accomplish our goals of ousting Saddam without a significant military force going into Iraq for more than 9 weeks. It could take a few years to completely drive Saddam and all the oppressive forces out of Iraq leaving a country that is one more step toward freedom. Poeple just aren't willing to support our forces for some reason. Many of those protestors in Washington and throughout the world are extremely young, impressionable people that I believe do not know the reality of living in a third world country. I honestly wish people would look not at the facts that they want to see, but the facts that exist on both sides of this arguement. Bush, Rice, Powell, and Rumsfield have a greater knowledge of the entire situation that you and I will ever have, and I trust that they have made, and will continue to make the right decisions regarding these issues. We have the luxury of sitting back and criticizing our government and I believe it is our duty to criticize when necessary, but imagine living in a place in which if you say that you do not agree with the government, you will be killed. It happens every day.

Aubs · Motorboat Queen Joined: 12 Jan 2003 Posts: 9167

wes ~ i took a double dose of Nyquill so im practically falling asleep as i type this, but i will give u my facts and opinions tomorrow...