HS W2W Questions

bobmurph · Outlaw Joined: 18 Apr 2006 Posts: 151 City: Atlanta

What up fellas...maybe this belongs in newbie questions, but nevertheless. How hard do you guys cut out in the flats before starting your progressive edge? Also, what angle do you hit the wake at? Parallel w/ back of boat, or w/ nose of board slightly toward boat? Finally, what rope length do you suggest for starting W2W. I have a SL 75' line and tried both the shortest and second shortest loops (not sure what exact length is).

I rode at 19, 20, and 21. I was getting the best pop off the wake at 21mph w/ the ballast full (1500lbs) and wake plate all the way down.

Beeman · Newbie Joined: 29 Apr 2006 Posts: 46 City: Hot Springs

I'd appreciate an answer to this question as well. You've pretty much addressed the same questions I have about this trick.

als132 · Soul Rider Joined: 10 Mar 2005 Posts: 462 City: shoreline

If you have the technique down, you should be able to go W2W from only 10 feet out from the wake. Of course, you wouldnt always ride like that......Here's my technique and i believe its the correct way....
1) Cut out 15 feet or so
2) Rest for a second, and start towards the wake a little
3) Let the rope catch up with you and pull you in towards the wake
4) While approaching the wake, have gravity centered and leaning against the pull of the handle
5) Lighten up a bit just before the wake and pop off the wake
6) Depending on the trick, i will either pop off the wake by pulling my nose UP and pitching myself over, or I will just let the wake work its magic...

als132 · Soul Rider Joined: 10 Mar 2005 Posts: 462 City: shoreline

sorry, forgot to add. I usually ride at 75 feet @ 20/21/22 mph depending on how much weight is in the boat

PMart · Outlaw Joined: 12 Apr 2006 Posts: 113

u dont edge at all into the wake?

als132 · Soul Rider Joined: 10 Mar 2005 Posts: 462 City: shoreline

nope.....

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just playing. Yes, i do edge all the way into the wake, i just forgot to say so. Let me rephrase step 4.

4) While approaching the wake, have your gravity centered and leaning against the pull of the handle (away from the boat), and stay strong on your heelside edge up to the transition of the wake (i'd say a 60-70 degree angle with the boat depending on how far you are looking to go

00ls1 · Criminal Joined: 14 Oct 2005 Posts: 71 City: chattanooga

darty · Addict Joined: 18 Mar 2003 Posts: 522 City: Lexington

bobmurph, what kind of boat are your riding behind? You said wake plate, so I assume a supra or moomba? No matter what, I would bring the plate up to @ least 1/4 so that you get a better shaped wake for learning wakejumping. This, combined with the above advice should help ya to go w2w -- & i'll just reiterrate the edging all the way through the wake & standing tall...this is probably the most important part of it all. Also, while in the air, be sure to keep the handle low (this keeps your center of gravity low & helps you to remain stable).

Good luck!

als132 · Soul Rider Joined: 10 Mar 2005 Posts: 462 City: shoreline

00ls1, thats awesome. Keep practicing and it'll be easy as pie (and please dont forget to ALSO BE TRYING TOESIDE WAKE JUMPS!!!!!!!) you'll regret it later if you dont

00ls1 · Criminal Joined: 14 Oct 2005 Posts: 71 City: chattanooga

bobmurph · Outlaw Joined: 18 Apr 2006 Posts: 151 City: Atlanta

darty, i'm riding behind an 05 supra 22ssv (just got it a few weeks ago...super pumped). i've been riding w/ the wake plate at about 3/4 to full and w/ the ballast full (1500 lbs). the wake is awesome...big and not washy at all.

rode behind it for the second time last saturday. focused more on just getting a feel for popping off the wake, and practicing form, i.e hand at waist, edge thru wake, stand tall. by the end of the day i was getting much bigger air and really starting to feel comfortable on my approach to the wake and pop off.

one thing i started doing later in the day that really helped me get more distance on my jump (less than 1 meter from wake) was during my approach looking out into the flats on the other side of the wake. almost like i was aiming for that as a landing zone...this made a significant difference. it got pretty choppy (damn tubers started riding in the same cove) late in the day so I called it quits. hopefully get out there friday, sat, and sunday...if i'm not landing w2w by mid-day friday i'll be dissappointed.

also, i'm starting to get much more comfortable popping of the wake toeside...land in middle of wake w/ a very slow/conservative approach to ts wake.

mplv · Newbie Joined: 09 Oct 2005 Posts: 46

try taking some ballast out and go for it bob

fergie23 · Posted: May 26, 2006 10:01 am Post subject:

from bob's original question, what angle do you approach the wake at? I have been trying to approach parallel to the back of the boat (probably not quite at that angle though) and sometimes my board slides out...what does that mean?

Beeman · Newbie Joined: 29 Apr 2006 Posts: 46 City: Hot Springs

My board will pop loose and slide out on me sometimes. I'm thinking im losing my edge.. Not exactly sure really.

J_DOGG · Posted: May 30, 2006 12:14 pm Post subject:

fergie23, It has more to do with line load than anything.

I can hit the wake at 45 and with the right line load W2W easy from 8 or 15 feet out.

Try this next time, start in so close to the wake you are thinking no way can I clear it. start the progressive edge in, load the line hard all the way through the wake, you will go W2W if you have proper technique as you should be accelerating through the wake.

This is the difference between pro's and weekend warriors like myself. they are riding through the wake and we are riding to the wake, if that makes sense to you. Pro's never leave early they don't need to, they know the wake is going to do all the work so they ride right through it and squeeze it for all its worth. We try to pump the wake, jump the wake and do all sorts of stuff that robs our line load.

I do a few booters to the flats to get me out of this usually early morning I don't want to crash mentality.

jpminter · Posted: May 30, 2006 12:36 pm Post subject:

bobmurph · Outlaw Joined: 18 Apr 2006 Posts: 151 City: Atlanta

J_DOGG, you're right on. When I was learning HS W2W the one thing that made the biggest difference was/is "edging through the wake". That's the one thing that's really going to give you the "pop" off the wake. Also, something that was confusing when I was learning this was exactly what a progressive edge is. What I was doing, and what i see other people do was start their hard "progressive" edge way too far outside the wake (10-20 ft). What I do now is just let the boat pull me back (no matter how far outside I am) and then just dig hard when I'm about 5 - 10 ft outside the wake and make sure I keep my edge all the way through.

After clearing the wake a few times and your knees don't take the beating they had been during the learning process the incentive to commit to the trick (and not puss out at the last sec and edge all the way through) is clear cuz the landing is so much softer.

Getting close on my TS W2W landed W2W but dropped the rope this weekend. Funny how falling TS seems (at first) that it would be worse than HS...but still haven't had a bad one TS...but some pretty nasty ones HS (rotating backside off the wake...ouch).

00ls1 · Criminal Joined: 14 Oct 2005 Posts: 71 City: chattanooga

parks_rider · Newbie Joined: 18 Aug 2004 Posts: 45 City: Bull Shoals

be sure to stand tall at the transition and what als132 wrote, for sure practice those toeside jumps. i been ridin for almost 2 years and heelside can w2w 360, backroll, almost tantrum, some grabs and toeside looks as if i just started terrible man need to work on it, one day i'm just gonna go and ALL DAY do nothing but toeside wish me luck and you'll get that wake 2 wake jump and be like DAMN i can't believe that was so hard haha

shazie · Criminal Joined: 17 May 2006 Posts: 67

Question re edging thru wake: Does that mean I continue my lean up the wake, and standing tall while leaning back? Because I often land on my back or slide down on my back? Why is that so?

J_DOGG · Posted: Jun 02, 2006 3:56 am Post subject:

shazie, don't use the word lean back I get these ugly visions of a water skier leaning away from the boat.

Think about it more as maintaining leverage through the wake and each person has a slightly different style that works best for them.
But in simple terms YES you want to maintain your line load through the wake while standing tall at the top and pushing the handle down and keeping it in close to the hips. Think, explode through the wake!

As the sayn goes you land in a similar fashion that you leave the wake so if you lean too far back the entire way you will land on your butt and if you flatten out and let the handle out off the wake you get pulled forward and catch your front edge.

shazie · Criminal Joined: 17 May 2006 Posts: 67

J DOGG Thanks much appreciated.

shazie · Criminal Joined: 17 May 2006 Posts: 67

Another question:

I know we are not supposed to ollie up the wake, but how come in "The Book" video, learning how to ollie is one of the fundamentals of wake jumping? Although they did not say I have to ollie off the wake, but its part of the "progression ladder". Is there any relations with wake jumps?

Again, thanks for all the help.

hyyperlitesonofabitch · Outlaw Joined: 31 May 2006 Posts: 132 City: Seneca

rope length would vary with speed. the faster you go, the closer the wakes are. thus, a longer wake to catch a bigger, cleaner, wider part of the wake. the slower, the wider ur wake is, the shorter the rope, catching the biggest part of the wake with no whitewash. as for Pop, just stand tall at the wake. you will sail. peace.

bobmurph · Outlaw Joined: 18 Apr 2006 Posts: 151 City: Atlanta

hyperlitesonofabitch, you ride at 4mi and 6mi much? I've got a 2 tone blue supra 22ssv...look for me out there.

hyyperlitesonofabitch · Outlaw Joined: 31 May 2006 Posts: 132 City: Seneca