Diesel engine or petrol (gas to us readers)

[Garyh]

in the recent yaers diesel engines have come a long way! Thanks to VW ,Toyota, Izzuz and the like with tdi offering us loads of power and ecnomy(any 1 with vw passat 19tdi will know)so is there a reason that they havent made it in to wakeboats yet ,theres the weight issue but thats better for more wake isnt it?
on the neg side yes thier would be the smell but if we use veg oil /bio diesel that wont be to bad theres not toxic fumes /carbons from the veg oil fules!

[acurtis_ttu]

Not worth it, gas prices are relativley cheap and the cost of diesel's woudl be a very expensive option. I know I didn't buy my boat b/c it got the best "gas mileage".

[jonsmith2340]

It's come up on these thread before.

Here are a couple of the threads:

http://forums.wakeboarder.com/viewtopic.php?t=44713&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=diesel
http://forums.wakeboarder.com/viewtopic.php?t=49590&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=diesel

[Garyh]

yes i realize the price of the engin but in the UK petrol cost is a whopping £0.98 per liter £5.00 per gallon . not us gallon thats difernt agian
with the current excange rate of $1.80 or there abouts thats about $9.00 per gallon .
1/2 a tank of fule in my searay 185br (uses a day when boarding ) cost about $ 90.00

i know its a funthing but dose it realy have to cost both my pocket and the enviroment so much
if we all swithched to deisel where we can we will ensure the life of this sport coss what happens when all the oil has gone in a pridicted 20-30 years??
prehaps well will all go sailling !!!!

[acurtis_ttu]

I'm pretty sure the largest market for wakeboard specific boats is in the states, where gas is realtively cheap. They probably have relatively small sales outside of the US. so, unfortunately you probably don't represent a very large market. simple economics



When, or should I say if , we run out of oil, there will be better alternative fuels like hydrogen, electric, alcohol, ect.....

[polkaking27]

Session is actually offering a Yanmar Diesel as on option on their 2006 SI and XI boats. I had a chance to ride behind one and it was amazing. The torque was incredible, the noise was non-exsistant (quiter than a normal gas engine) and I couldn't smell the exhaust fumes at all. I was skeptical before I rode it, but a big fan afterwards. Check out www.sessionboats.com I believe they are in the process of changing the site over from 2005 to 2006 though

[austin11]

thats true the toruqe would be amazing behind a diesel boat. They are also so much less maintence. And the life way out lives a gas engine.

[Ruune]

I would start looking at CMD (cummins mercruiser diesel) engines to start showing up in the next couple of years.

[andy mogg]

Americans say that gas is relatively cheap. Wait antoher couple of years and I bet you´ll be saying something else!!! I am betting that the industrie see´s it coming already, just not the people driving the boats.

[Ruune]

well, contrary to popular belief.... most of our (US) petroleum comes from the gulf coast and carribbean. Political leaders wont let you on to that (most likely due to campaign "funding"), but I spent the last few months doing Information Systems for the largest petroleum refiner in North America- based in San Antonio, TX. Not saying who it is, but you can do the math.

Anyways, our current price of fuel isnt set by anything other than MARKET VALUE. Basically, they charge 2.50 (approx, and varying) a gallon because thats where their largest profit is, versus paying to have it shipped overseas.

Trust me on this, the entire 3rd floor of the south wing in their complex has HUNDREDS of people that do nothing but buy and sell crude all day. I've seen where it comes from and where it goes... and it sure as hell doesnt come from Iraq or Saudi.

Think it actually COSTS them even close to 60-70 bucks a barrel to extract, ship, and refine useable fuel? think again! Check nasdaq.com and look up your favorite's stock and earnings performance.

[Brit Rider]

[KristianB]

There are several differences between diesels and gas engines. Some differences are in favor of one and others for the other.

Fuel consumption is one. A rule of thumb is that if a 2-stroke engine consumes 4 units per HP, a 4-stroke will use 2 and a diesel 1 unit. As I said, this is a rule of thumb where such things as EFI will change things. Also if the diesel has a mechanical or electronic fuel injection will have a lot to say.

I have an I/O with a mechanical fuel injection, which really means that there are very few electric things that can break down engine wise. Easy maintenance!

Torque is great. Acceleration is bad. RPM is constant; speed will vary depending on wind and waves though. Loud noise (as the turbo on my specific engine needs a free flow of exhausts, you cannot have an under water exhaust). No problem with fumes/smell. Heavy - bad for fuel, good for wake...

/K

[austin11]

the only thing about bio is that you have to make sure that you have steel braided fuel lines. That stuff collects on rubber lines. If you winterize it and leave all that bio in there in then one day in feb when the air temp is barely breaken 55 that stuff will be two thick to run in your engine. When it gets cold that cooking oil gets thick.

So there are ups and downs. http://www.biodiesel.org/ Good site for info!

[karkid]

check out www.greasel.com

thats what i want to do

[Ruune]