06 SAN 220

churchy · Posted: Aug 25, 2005 1:22 am Post subject: 06 SAN 220

What does everyone think of it?

DRAGON88 · Posted: Aug 25, 2005 1:46 am Post subject:

One question for the 220...

What the hell does it exactly do? The 210 is still the flagship wakeboarding boat, the 220 isn't a good crossover boat. So I guess it's just a large wakeboard family boat?

I'm somewhat disappointed, the interior although well thought out and innovative, seems cluttered, but I'm reserving judgement until I get to sit in the boat. I'm not a big fan of the new tower, or the graphics. Too much "bling" takes away from the simple "classic" lines of the 210. I was really hoping to see a stretched version of the 210, but it sounds like the wake is more 226esque.

It looks like it has a ton of storage, and I'll be willing to bet that they wont be able to make enough of them. I really don't like how the transom is, especially the seating. I like the white glove box, and kind of want one for our 210. Laughing

I'll post more later, because my battery is dead and I'm sleepy.

Erik · Posted: Aug 25, 2005 2:57 am Post subject:

Well...now that I've digested my Kool-Aid and slept on the issue for a few nights, I have some new thoughts on this boat. I want to be clear; I am a fan of just about anything Correct Craft produces. I am not, however, a fan of their marketing style or approach. I still believe that this will be a very successful boat for Correct Craft, because they all sort of are; but it was not quite what I was expecting and here is why:

Correct Craft offers two boats that are still kind of trying to find a niche, though they sold well last year to family-oriented boaters. The 211 and 226, both phenomenally designed boats; were pushed pretty hard by a dealer I spoke with a few years ago. And both, at their inception, were said to be the new wakeboarding flagship from Nautique. It was reported that high-profile professional riders such as Shaun Murray and Shawn Watson were delivered spanky new 211's and 226's to play with. However with the release of the Super Air Nautique 220, this same effort isn't apparent, as the 210 brochure seems to still infer that the Super Air Nautique 210 (now, oddly enough, badged as the Air 210) is still the Mommy of the fleet. The important, wakeboarding boat of record, and the boat that many serious riders appreciate as the one that creates the best vert wake available, short of a 70foot sportfishing yacht.

So I am perplexed. Why would Correct Craft build yet another boat with no clear market? Why push it so hard as the new Super Air Nautique? That term 'Super Air Nautique' was/is approaching the same reputation level and word-of-mouth power of MasterCrafts's ProStar 205, Malibu's Sunsetter and Correct Craft's famed Ski Nautique 2001. Why would they choose to use the hull of the 226 and 211, with Hydrogate (hydrogate is a hydraulic wake adjustment plate meant to make a large wakeboarding wake more palletable for leisure skiers and barefooters) as the basis of this boat? The 210, the 226 and the 211 each have a wakeboarding-specific option set, and a family oriented option set. The 220 does not - it is being offered in an Air Nautique model only. So from that standpoint it is a wakeboarding boat since it has no family level analog. That is odd to me. It is atypical of Correct Craft in general and potentially a purposeful and shady marketing push to try to convince buyers that it really is a wakeboarding dream boat, when it isn't; and the Air 210 aka Super Sport aka Super Air Nautique 210 still is. Straight from Correct Craft's press release for the 210 is the following statement, "With 850 pounds of ballast for peaky wakes with lips that kick and an optional 375 horsepower PCM® engine that jumps you up on plane, this boat is the single-best wakeboard boat on the planet."

Really? Still? Even though you have one called the 220? A higher number equals a more awesome boat right?

Not necessarily. The interior is going to take some getting used to but may be a step in the right direction for watersport/wakeboarding boats, but appears to contain a lot of proprietary, one-off hinges, latches, panels, and hydraulic lift arms - for which Correct Craft is known to charge an arm and a leg, and are known to break. Often. And I could swear that it has less room inside than my 210, but I have not seen it in person so I can not make this assertion yet (and after this post I'm not sure they'll let me near a dealership).

I've always thought that the 210 had plenty of seating space but if they felt like changing the interior mold, could use more open space in the middle for gearing up and moving about the boat. The 220 appears to have gone in the opposite direction I had hoped, adding more seating and less open space. Again, this is only from boat show photos I have seen, but most of them were high-res and thus a good enough representation for me to form an opinion - right or wrong.

So the marketing team behind the Super Air Nautique 220 has some work to complete. They need to release photos of the wake weighted and unweighted. They need to prove that the wake is different, steeper, and more vertical than any Correct Craft boat's has hull previously created. They need to NEVER speak about the boat as a crossover boat - 'good for slalom AND wakeboarding' (because such a boat does not exist; the very concept a total contradiction of the purposes of each boat respectively). I still would be happy to water test the boat for a few years, should Correct Craft read posts on wakeboarder.com from little fanbois. But this soft launch of the boat is not quite what people were expecting.

Correct Craft's Web site still makes no mention of the boat. I bet they spent a lot of money on that Flash though! Cool mouseover sound effects! Very 1997!

vawakemonster · Posted: Aug 25, 2005 4:48 am Post subject:

Erik Jernberg, STAR...I was thinking similarly just not as complex and in detail!!!!

Erik · Posted: Aug 25, 2005 5:07 am Post subject:

lukewtwt · Outlaw Joined: 17 Feb 2003 Posts: 200 City: Memphis

Personally, I think it is the worst interior design I have ever seen. From the pictures, it looks like anyone over 5 ft tall won't be able to stretch out fully ANYWHERE in the boat. The "chaise lounge" seating and the back seat are cramped, and there is no functional purpose that I can see to dividing the seating with those storage bins that are too small to hold anything. Look closely at the picture of the passenger seat. Anyone who sits there can only sit facing the driver (again, unless they are 5 ft tall or less) and sitting facing the driver puts your back right up against the speaker grill. I am appalled at such a shoddy design from such a reputable manufacturer. We can only hope that the wake is nice.

NAW · Posted: Aug 25, 2005 6:13 am Post subject:

Maybe I was just expecting a bigger 210. I would've liked to see a bigger bow and a full, traditional, wrap around V-drive seating arrangement. You can still have a stadium seating set up.

It still looks like the seating surfaces are not as plush as other boats out there that are bigger, more spacious for less money.

Of course, I can't comment on the wake, but if I don't think anything steeper than a 210 wake would do any justice. How steep is too steep?

Not impressed with the styling of the boat, tower, graphics or interior. Just doesn't do anything for me, but neither does the 211 or 226. I do like the 210, though. Just wish it was bigger, which is what I was hoping for in this boat.

my .02 anyway.

J-Ro · Posted: Aug 25, 2005 7:53 am Post subject:

Skybox seating went away for a reason. It's a hassle, makes moving around the boat impossible, and looks like a tacky add on.

Brit Rider · Posted: Aug 25, 2005 10:53 am Post subject:

I just don't get it

Ralph · Posted: Aug 25, 2005 11:28 am Post subject:

The 220 is ugly, plain and simple. I'm bummed, I was looking for a slightly bigger 210. Oh well, the new V215, VLX & Launch 21V look better and better.

DRAGON88 · Posted: Aug 25, 2005 1:42 pm Post subject:

I thought I would note that on the port side you can in fact take that backrest/storage bin out. I hope that they might do away with it all together next year, but it is doubtful that they would change the deck molds.

J-Ro · Posted: Aug 25, 2005 1:45 pm Post subject:

It's like the answer to a question nobody asked Rolling Eyes

Reminds me of the XTI. Different just to be different. Without anymore usefullness.

Boomer · Outlaw Joined: 14 Jun 2004 Posts: 109 City: Austin

I think it's the new "Session" model, by Nautique.

The interior looks like any run-of-the-mill i/o, take your pick. The tiny seats going back beside the engine remind me of an 80's glastron. The transom looks like some no-name i/o I was driving behind on the way home today.

I too was hoping for a bigger 210, big disappointment. This is basically a runabout with a v-drive.

King of the Tigers · Posted: Dec 23, 2005 7:16 pm Post subject:

Erik, Dragon, NAW, anyone seen the 220 in person yet and if so what are your thoughts now?

I just had a chance to see and be in the 220 today. I was a skeptic despite glowing reviews from people who'd actually seen/ been in the 220. Pictures don't do it justice by any means. It has amazing interior space. You would think the boat is 2 feet longer than the SAN or more. I've planned to buy a used 210 for quite a few years once I'm out of school. I almost wish I hadn't seen the 220 because it's really that amazing. Still not a fan of the graphics on it but nevertheless it is an amazing boat. Changing the one seat is a 10 second breeze too and definitely worth it. My one wish would be that you could remove those center storage areas and have nothing but seat space but it is still a great boat. I haven't had a chance to try the wake yet so that's still up in the air but I know a few friends who have said it is the rightful heir of the title "Super"

For anyone who thinks it is not up to par for CC (i.e. people who are neutral to or like CC and not haters who will hate it regardless) do yourself a favor and go see it.

HOLLOMAN101 · Soul Rider Joined: 26 Jul 2003 Posts: 478 City: Austin

i have had a chance to demo the boat and i too was not as pleased only because it does not posess the type of seating configuration i like in a boat. All the extra storage ie (trash cans) just seem pointless to me and take up space, cc did need another wakespecific boat that was longer than the 210, but in my opinion they should have simply lengthened the 210 hull. The tower i absolutely hated when i first saw the boat in wbm, however being six foot i was able to move around freely in the boat without worrying about hitting my head, also it looks a heck of alot nicer in person, still not my fav tower though. My feelings are if they took malibus approach and simply lengthened their wakeboats, keeping most everything else the same, it would have been a much better boat

Craig Anderson · Criminal Joined: 21 Mar 2005 Posts: 93 City: Modesto

Went and looked at it...As stated by another guy looking at it..looks like ten pounds of $hit, in a five pound bag. Interior looks terrible. Ugly graphics, and ugly tower...boat also looks like it has a big but..CC dropped the ball big time on this one. And the price was just as expensive as a X-Star....Ooops

AbunDiga909 · Outlaw Joined: 21 Oct 2003 Posts: 237 City: New York

Everything that everyone is saying so far, is for the most part, all subjective. The seating layout you want or the hull lenghth you like or how you think of the innovative designs, may not all be all in aggreance (sp?) w/ what he wants... That's not to be mean or say anyones wrong, but just to keep in mind that 1 person's oppinion does not sum up the boat just like that...

With that being said, I have to admit, I am also a diehard CC fan, and in general, I like pretty much everything new and different, just because, well, its new, and different, simple as that. And that is exactly what this boat is. Now, when the pics came online months and months ago, I too thought it was ugly, cluttered, and just reminded me of an I/O. But when I saw it in Oct, test drove it, test rode it, and test sat it, yes, test sat, as in I sat in every seat possible in every position possible in the boat, I was blown away by the desing. If you take the time to do that, I THINK you will agree that this boat is very different from the standard wrap-around design. If the wrap-around design is what you prefer, then so be it, like it better, no big deal. But, if you are accepting of this new style--more innovative to make it easier for the crowd to view the boarder, instead of what lies ahead on the lake, then you will obviously appreciate this seating. Its all oppinionated--so... I just kinda find it a little annoying when the people that prefer the normal wrap-around seating (which, like I said, is perfectly fine...), all of a sudden, bash the hell out of this boat, call it a flop, because they hate it, and these people can really only get away w/ this b/c this style is new and different, and not really accepted by the world of wakeboarders yet... If that's the case, let it be a work in progress... You have to admit, this thinking done by CC is WAY out of the box.

Seeing it in person is definately worth it. Before I saw it in person I thought, nah, the pics will do fine. But after seeing it in person, my oppinions changing TOTALLY, I cannot really think its fair for someone to judge this boat from their comp.

The boat as a whole: I agree, it does look like its got a big butt, but if I had a 220, I can garuntee it'd grow on me quickly. The wake behind it, I am not good enough to judge, and I was hydrofoiling, not boarding, so that wasn't so much my issue, as much as the constant pull and lack of porpousing (sp?). Again, the seating arragnement may seem weird at first, but when you're out there for the day w/ a group load of 12, I'm sure you'll appreciate all the storage, and ease of watching the boarder. All in all, I THINK the boat is amazing, and would get one before any other competitor's equivilant (sp?) model. I call it the crossover between 210 and 226, hardcore wakeboarding and harcore family boating. This should be a popular combination for many. Let's keep in mind, the majority of us on this site are the hardcore boarders, so we'll like the 210, but this is def. a great boat for a lot of fams out there, just maybe not us...

This is not meant to be against anyone personally, no hard feelings...

~Austin

Craig Anderson · Criminal Joined: 21 Mar 2005 Posts: 93 City: Modesto

Abundigga, very well said. Ive said it a million times, everybody is entitled to their opinions...When I went boat shopping almost a year ago, I had as many people as I could sit inside the boat, so I could judge, and see how many people would be comfortable. The guy looking at the 220 did the same when I was there...Seven people got inside this boat..and looked extremely uncomfortable. Again only opinion.. Only time will tell, but I think they dropped the ball, and they are gonna have a flop on their hands. Somebody Im sure will loose there job over this one.

AbunDiga909 · Outlaw Joined: 21 Oct 2003 Posts: 237 City: New York

I dunno, I thought the fact that you could even get 7 guys in only a fraction of the boat was remarkable. I think someone may be getting a raise, lol... I can't speak for all locations, but my lake is infested w/ Cobalts, so a lot of former Cobalt owners I'm sure will be into this boat. My dealer's sold 3 already, and everyone was impressed.

pilot_ryder · Posted: Dec 26, 2005 11:23 am Post subject:

i dont like them at all the new towers, interior and all aspects of the boat. what did they really build it for? they have the flagship 210 and crossover 211. Rolling Eyes

Brit Rider · Posted: Dec 26, 2005 3:47 pm Post subject:

pilot_ryder, I personally agree on the styling queues (i.e. tower) but i think you are very much mistaken as to the need for it... there was EVERY need!

the 210 is great but not big enough, has a serious lack of freeboard and is becoming outdated.... however it is still an awesome boat

The 211 is a cross over boat... thats the point Wink

The 220 is a large wakeboard and family capable boat with plenty of storage for throwing junk into with plenty of height/freeboard for both safety and ballast requirements. simple.

If you are a hardcore wakeboarder on a lake you buy a 210.
If you do a bit of both and aren't as specific as above in any discipline you go with a 211.
If you are a hardcore wakeboarder with wake requirements or family who want a good comfortable, safe ride buy a 220.

The purpose is clear and Nautique did some clever thinking.. I just personally think a few minor bits need dialing before I'd purchase one.

Think about the evolving market from outside the current mindset.. MC is/has been already doing it.

Erik · Posted: Dec 26, 2005 7:24 pm Post subject:

AbunDiga909, and Brit Rider, well said. However I disagree that the wheel needs to be reinvented. When Brit Rider says the 'purpose is clear'...who's purpose? Anyone that spends time in a 210 knows it needs more space inside the cockpit. The 220 delivers less. I think people needed and asked for a longer version of the 210. We got the 220. It was not what people asked for. I was, and am disappointed.

I just don't know what they had in mind when they decided to introduce a 3rd boat in their lineup and a 3rd new hull in as many years. It just isn't like them as a company. The 211 and 226, while nice boats, do not make a lick of sense to me, as they are from a purely functional standpoint not different enough from the 210 to warrant a totally different hulls. Now we have a 3rd marginally 'different' Air Nauique option.

By contrast, the Master Craft X15 IS more along the lines of what people were looking for, on the Maaster Craft side.

Anyway, well articulated opinions in here. Nice.

Craig Anderson · Criminal Joined: 21 Mar 2005 Posts: 93 City: Modesto

Im not a big mastercraft fan..but im really looking forward to seeing the X15..Its the first boat they have put out that really has my attention. Very nice looking, well done. Looking forward to seeing it at the boat shows, and hearing what the wake is like

Brit Rider · Posted: Dec 27, 2005 7:37 am Post subject:

Craig Anderson, totally

Erik Jernberg, A longer 210 hull is still called for in my opinion... 2 feet longer and 8 inches wider with a little more depth would be ideal... Maybe this will happen in a year or two... that would be another answer from CC.

a new hull released based on the 210 with more space would be welcomed by me and many other i bet.. it is a shame that CC haven't gone down that route. But still the 220 still serves a purpose.. smallish crew.. ocean going(with a saltwater pack.. hmm where is CC's saltwater pack?)... plenty of storage, big wake, new innovation which can be carried down to other CC boats (after refinement)

Problem is.. unless CC can come back with a big 210 SOON they are going to be losing alot of loyal customers who ARE going to be tempted by the X15.
Familys grow.. people collect more kit... where does one go after out growing a 210? CC had better get their ass in gear fast!

just my 2 cents...

Ruune · Posted: Dec 31, 2005 1:38 am Post subject:

I actually rode behind one of these at waketoberfest- my impression of the wake is a pretty positive one. However, it takes a lot -and I repeat A LOT- of weight to get this 23 footer to crank out a really hefty wake. Unloaded, it does have a mediocre size, but it takes the factory ballast plus about 4-6 people to get it crankin'.

On the plus side, the transition from the flats to the wake has no valley that sinks down just before the base of the wake, as I've seen on practically every other boat. Not sure if that makes any sense to any of you, but there it is.

As far as the interior, you really need to see the new layout in action- it makes more sense in practice than it does in theory.

Final verdict? Awesome boat, but after riding the 210 and 220 wakes within a matter of minutes, I still like the size and shape of the 210.

Cyclonecj · Soul Rider Joined: 12 Jan 2003 Posts: 338 City: Atlanta

FYI here is a review of that boat by a wakeboarder, i.e. he doesn't sell advertising in a mag. He's got some pics too. Just thought some of you might dig it, dunno if it's already been linked here, I didn't read all posts.

http://www.wakeboardatlanta.com/default.asp?ID=175

Brit Rider · Posted: Jan 02, 2006 5:23 am Post subject:

Cyclonecj, Great link, Cheers Very Happy