Religion- for svt. Stay out if you don't want to hear, OK?

Neognosis · Ladies Man Joined: 13 Jan 2003 Posts: 17617 City: Webster

Ok, so you're posts got me thinking.

What does God do with Jews who don't believe in Christ but are genuinely good, honest people who harm nobody and help out when they can?

Leggester · Posted: Sep 09, 2005 5:22 am Post subject:

Also, what's with the non-drinking.

Even at the time the Bible/Torah were written, water was extremely unsafe to drink.

Everyone, including small kids off the teat drank small beer and watered wine.

svt_gEEk · Outlaw Joined: 17 May 2005 Posts: 152 City: Tupelo

Cheerleader · Soul Rider Joined: 18 May 2003 Posts: 362

Wait... so God does stuff with people?

wesgardner · Posted: Sep 09, 2005 5:36 am Post subject:

Hey cb,

You know what I don't like about religion - the we/they thing....we are saved and you are not.....

Don't like that at all...

Wes

svt_gEEk · Outlaw Joined: 17 May 2005 Posts: 152 City: Tupelo

From what I gather my church believes it is wrong basically because of the label put on some of the people that drink as being trouble makers, drug addicts, etc....Also because they think drinking offends some people and the Bible says that if it offends your brother(not in a literal sense...meaning friend or brother in Christ) or causes him to stumble(basically meaning that someone that isn't a Christian sees someone that is a Christian drinking it will cause the one that isn't a Christian to think the Christian isn't any better of a person than him...this in turn causes the non-Christian to wonder why he needs to experience salvation and become a Christian since the Christians aren't any better of a person that him.) Now for the explanation of my belief......you don't offend basically anybody except the ones that believe drinking is wrong all-together if you drink in moderation....but if you drink in excess and become "drunk" then you are more than likely going to offend somebody....that and the fact that it does speak on the subject of drunkedness in the Bible as being wrong....

Best way to explain this is an example that happened last night. I went to a concert at a local bar....yes I was in a bar, but I didn't drink, I was there purely for the concert......alot of people there were drinking and having a good time and then there were some underage people that weren't drinking and people like myself of age that weren't...but most were. Well, I didn't mind at first because no one was buzzing or drunk yet....but as the concert went on I found that people were acting alot different....drunk. I had several people stumble into me, spill beer, yell all up in my ear, etc...the typical drunk at a concert type deal. I found this rather annoying, this is when I say drinking becomes a sin, if you drink to the point you really don't have complete control over your body and you become the annoying drunk.

goinbig143 · Addict Joined: 20 Feb 2005 Posts: 659 City: Wonder lake

No matter how giving and upstanding a hindu is, they are going downstairs?

Neognosis · Ladies Man Joined: 13 Jan 2003 Posts: 17617 City: Webster

svt_gEEk · Outlaw Joined: 17 May 2005 Posts: 152 City: Tupelo

I've got a feeling this is just going to turn into a Christian bashing thread. Don't start insulting people and disrespecting people religion. Let's try to go about this in a civilized manner, if you don't understand why I believe something ask and don't criticize and I will do the same. And any other Christians on this forum feel free to help me out because as I said in the other thread I'm not very well versed in the Bible as far as quoting scripture off the top of my head. I've read and studied the Bible but I can't memorize verses and where they are, my mind doesn't work that way, I don't memorize stuff well.

Neognosis · Ladies Man Joined: 13 Jan 2003 Posts: 17617 City: Webster

8824 · Posted: Sep 09, 2005 5:52 am Post subject:

Hmmm.

All I ever hear are the bads things about religions. Can someone tell me the positives?

You all need to listen to George Carlin on religion.

Leggester · Posted: Sep 09, 2005 5:52 am Post subject:

I am a Christian, no bashing.

Before much else can go on, which bible are you reading? There are many versions. Just wanted a safe starting point.

Actually, most of the Protestant sects started the no drinking in the 1800s.

svt_gEEk · Outlaw Joined: 17 May 2005 Posts: 152 City: Tupelo

svt_gEEk · Outlaw Joined: 17 May 2005 Posts: 152 City: Tupelo

Neognosis · Ladies Man Joined: 13 Jan 2003 Posts: 17617 City: Webster

goinbig143 · Addict Joined: 20 Feb 2005 Posts: 659 City: Wonder lake

O.K., But what about the upstanding individual who is not a follower of Jesus.

In your opinion, If someone lives their life serving others and giving to others, no matter how much effort they give to helping their fellow man, they are going to hell for not believing in Jesus?

Neognosis · Ladies Man Joined: 13 Jan 2003 Posts: 17617 City: Webster

Leggester · Posted: Sep 09, 2005 6:14 am Post subject:

CB, corinthians:

1Cor.6
[18] Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that commiteth fornication sinneth against his own body.
[19] What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?

Basically though, this is more to stop whoring around.

This was also the excuse used by the Catholic Church around 1000 when they decreed Priests could not marry ( actually, they wanted the riches of the lords sons to go to the church, not the priest's sons and daughters )

Neognosis · Ladies Man Joined: 13 Jan 2003 Posts: 17617 City: Webster

kavlock99 · Posted: Sep 09, 2005 6:24 am Post subject:

James 2:24.."faith without works is dead."

svt_gEEk · Outlaw Joined: 17 May 2005 Posts: 152 City: Tupelo

Thanks for finding that Legg, I was lookin but couldn't find it.

Neognosis · Ladies Man Joined: 13 Jan 2003 Posts: 17617 City: Webster

svt_gEEk · Outlaw Joined: 17 May 2005 Posts: 152 City: Tupelo

HOLLOMAN101 · Soul Rider Joined: 26 Jul 2003 Posts: 478 City: Austin

ok im babtist and this is what my church teaches about gods chosen people the jews and their beliefs, from what i understand jews dont not believe in Christ, they just feel he hasnt come yet so in my religion i believe when christ comes again like stated in revelations, the christians who have accepted christ as their savior will ascend into heaven while the jews will stay on earth for the 7 year tribulation period and then after the antichrist is destroyed they too will ascend into heaven but as far as a jewish person now i dont really if yall are interested though i can ask my pastor to see what his views are.

svt_gEEk · Outlaw Joined: 17 May 2005 Posts: 152 City: Tupelo

HOLLOMAN101, lots of baptist churches believe that way, but mine does not believe in the wrapture, 7 year tribulation period or the 1000 year reign, I'm not real sure how I believe on that subject yet....it is irrelavent to me seeing as how I am not Jewish, but for those who are it is relavent and is something that should be discussed. Revalations is a very confusing book and is one of those books that definately can't be taken in a literal sense.

kavlock99 · Posted: Sep 09, 2005 6:49 am Post subject:

I was trying to elaborate for CB's sake. Rest assured CB, all those that just say they believe in Jesus are not getting a "free ticket" to God's Kingdom.

I totally understand the majority of people's problems with organized religion. Jason_ssr summed it up well with one word, Pharisees. Those who took it upon themselves to make the good book what they wanted. Religion has long been a money maker for many. Why is it that in third world countries, the church is the most glorious place, ..money.

In the end we all are here on this earth together. Finding our purpose in life is important. Let's all just hope we find the right one.

Leggester · Posted: Sep 09, 2005 6:54 am Post subject:

Actually, it's Legge Mr. Green

Personally, since both the Jews and Muslims believe in the same God, I believe they are bound for heaven too.

Do you also believe in the Triumvirate or are Baptists Monothiests?

chavez · RIP MHL 04/25/1958 - 01/11/2006

jason_ssr · Posted: Sep 09, 2005 7:00 am Post subject:

Dont focus too much on the act of believing and overlook the why.

The object is to enter heaven. Any sinless man can do it, whether it be muslim, hindu, whatever. However, it is impossible for a man to live that way their entire life. A sacrifice is required to atone for the sins specifically. God tried this, but man could not sacrifice enough or even remember all of his sins enough to qualify. God loves all of us, and to keep this rule heaven would be empty. He tried to stop man from sinning and even destroyed entire cities that were so far gone they couldnt work themselves free of sin. He even tried to start humanity over from scratch with a giant flood. He figured out that the current method simply wouldnt work.

So, he sent Jesus. A perfect man who would be the sacrifice for every one of man's sins from there on out. All you have to do is except the fact that you dont have sacrifice anymore.

Now, imagine if you had an unpayable debt over your head, how great you would feel if someone paid it for you. You would be stoked! If that guy ever said, "Im thirsty!" You would be sprinting to him with a gatorade! Because you have to? NO, because he his saved your tail, and you want to show your appreciation. that dude is your new best friend!

Forget the good guy/badguy stuff. Salvation has to do with the acceptance of a paid debt. It has nothing to do with how good you are or if you drink or dance. It has nothing to do with the name on the church building or the day that you worship. If you accept the paid debt then your in. If you do not, then your out.

One's actions are open to interpretation. This is where alot of denominations struggle. How would the person with the unpayable debt in the above analogy act when he finds out his debt is paid and accepts the fact that someone else paid it? How would he act towards the payer? Some have a predetermined idea of how one would act, and question those who do not act that way. Is not acting that way a sign of denial? They just cant accept the debt is paid and refuse to believe it? It definitley has merrit, but I dont think it is always the case.

MojoPin · Posted: Sep 09, 2005 7:00 am Post subject:

chavez, See you there..

chavez · RIP MHL 04/25/1958 - 01/11/2006

MojoPin, just make sure you bring some good beer and LOTS of ice! Laughing

svt_gEEk · Outlaw Joined: 17 May 2005 Posts: 152 City: Tupelo

Wakebrad · Ladies Man Joined: 11 Dec 2003 Posts: 12257 City: Dallas

So a beer or a glass of wine a day is good for you. So drinking alcohol can't be wrong. And what do they serve you during communion? You'll find that many of the traditions and laws that you're taught really aren't founded on the Bible. It's easy to slip into the "This is right/this is wrong" black and white rulebook when really there are a lot of greys.

Right now I'm still dealing with the issue of whether God is a hands-on God or a hands-off God. From what I can tell there's no evidence except coincidence that God plays an active roll in this world. Due to the logical nature of God (look at the equations and inter-working of physics and mathematics in the universe) it seems like he wound a top and let it go. Obviously he knows exactly what's going to happen but he's not going to put his finger down and make changes. This essentially means that God is powerless in our world.

A saying I HATE is when people say "God didn't make this happen." Well God didn't prevent it either did he? So God either let it happen/caused it to happen or he was powerless to stop it.

jason_ssr · Posted: Sep 09, 2005 7:18 am Post subject:

Chavez, yeah, all the have is 3.2 down there.....

chavez · RIP MHL 04/25/1958 - 01/11/2006

jason_ssr, Laughing

And you can only buy it at state stores, during certain hours and on certain days!

Ever wonder why NASCAR doesn't visit places like hell?

For all you dimwits, we are poking fun at Utah/SLC.