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PostPosted: Dec 07, 2004 7:50 pm    Post subject: Collegiate Wakeboarding Reply with quote

Hey is anybody here involved with or know of any collegiate wakeboard teams? I founded the wakeboard club here at the University of Texas and I am pushing for the University's first "official" team. I was looking for other people to talk to about how their team is involved.

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PostPosted: Dec 07, 2004 9:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BurntOrangeWake, I talked to my school about this. My schools argument is that they will never make it official because there is nothing in the NCAA about it. and NCAA covers alot of insurance matters that my school doesn't want to handle. They said if I could get another school (big school, like say UT Wink ) to petition the NCAA to look at making it a sanctioned sport that would really halp my case.
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PostPosted: Dec 08, 2004 6:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

BurntOrangeWake, read this web page, and then ask yourself if your really want to subject your club to these rules and procedures.
http://www2.ncaa.org/legislation_and_governance/eligibility_and_conduct/

But if I was going to do this I would start with the athletic coordinator and see what he/she has to say.
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PostPosted: Dec 08, 2004 8:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

We've got a wakeboard team here at the University of Mississippi (Ole Miss).
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PostPosted: Dec 08, 2004 10:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Talk to ASU, they seem to have the best thing going or them. In CA withour budget issues & liability issues, we are not allowed to actually wakeboard in the name of our club. We did & now we are no longer recognized, it really sucks. ASU gets a new Supra that their team (top ten riders of the club) uses weekly as a training tool, on weekends it is used by the rest of their club members on a "by pull basis". I wish we could have that. I also wish we didn't have to compete in the trick ski division.
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PostPosted: Dec 08, 2004 11:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stephan,

We were talking to some girls that ride for ASU at Nationals in Orlando last month and they said the ASU team is kinda falling apart.
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PostPosted: Dec 08, 2004 11:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Stephan,

We were talking to some girls that ride for ASU at Nationals in Orlando last month and they said the ASU team is kinda falling apart.



Why did they say it was falling apart? And what school do you go to Stephan?

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PostPosted: Dec 08, 2004 1:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i am going to university of missouri next year and does anyone know if they have a team?
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PostPosted: Dec 08, 2004 7:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just my .02 on ASU's team. ASU's team seemed a bit elitist to me. I'm a student there and last semester I saw they had a booth set up and so I went to see what it was about. A bunch of meathead fratboys (yes that's a stereotype and before you get up in arms some of my buddies are meathead fratboys and very cool) were manning the booth and basically it seemed like they were most interested in talking to the young blonde sorority girls. I was checking out the Parks with Parks bindings they had right in front and even after there was no-one else around not one of them asked me a thing. Now I'm not saying that they had to talk to me and I certainly could have tried to start a conversation with them but I figured I'd seen enough. Then an acquaintance who has been on my boat and definitely made sure he didn't get himself invited again joined the team and that pretty much sealed the deal.

That being said someone for their team emailed me and invited me to join. But the way I figured it since I have a boat I would be paying more money for less water time just so I could call myself a Wakedevil. I do think it's a cool idea though for those who are not blessed enough to have a boat.
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PostPosted: Dec 09, 2004 5:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I started the club here at Rollins in Orlando... I couldn't really help you much with starting an actual team because we were rejected for that last year, But I can help you out with any other info you might need.
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PostPosted: Dec 09, 2004 7:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wes - if you haven't spoken to the UT ski team, you should approach them. I think they include wakeboarding in that group - or at least they were beginning to when I was there.

Good luck and Hook'Em - from a UT alum...

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PostPosted: Dec 09, 2004 8:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's too bad, although I do understand the fascination with blond sorority girls... Wink I go to Cal Poly San Luis Obispo, it's in a small town right between LA & San Francicso, pretty well known for it's engineering & architecture programs. I don't have a boat & it was my only source of pulls but I got to know the drivers & am part of the regular crew (Wake Ninjas) see my post "A Fine Day on the Water". It really is unfortunate the liability issues that our sport is plagued with, if it were a NCAA recognized sport it would be different, but then again I don't know if I'd like that too much, it's like the Olypics or something, we're too cool for that, haha. Tigerblp, how'd nationals turn out? Did you ride it as well as organize it?
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I could really use some help because i am having an issue with our campus and our rec. sports department. They are not alowing us to get funding basically. We were in the motion of getting stuff donated to us so we could have a raffle so we could raise the money to buy a boat. But they are saying we cant to that unless the company puts it down as a marketing expence to what ever they donate. But alot of companies wont do it that way most want a tax write off and the school said they can not do that becuase we can not carry the schools name so they take no responsibility for it. If any one can help me with this issue it would be great.
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PostPosted: Dec 09, 2004 1:32 pm    Post subject: opps Reply with quote

sorry i was also going to ask burnt orange how long his club as been going i am the president of the club here at Texas A&M Corpus Christi.
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PostPosted: Dec 09, 2004 1:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why do all the Wes' on this site sign their name after every post? It's a phenomenon.
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PostPosted: Dec 09, 2004 4:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We've only been a club this semester. I've run into similar hurdles with sponsorship. As long as you're not hard selling their product you shouldn't be breaching any rules. Oh and the water ski team=weak. They have a wakeboard portion under the trick ski category. But they are very much anti-wakeboarding. They include it b/c people were demanding it. Plus they can;t even weight the boat. It wouldn't be as bad if it wasn't a wake killing ski boat.

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PostPosted: Dec 10, 2004 9:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So are there any other teams in Texas?

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PostPosted: Dec 10, 2004 2:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i thought the ski team had come around from when I was there... guess not. that sux cause they have a private lake they use to practice on...
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PostPosted: Dec 10, 2004 5:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ATTENTION PEOPLE WHO GO TO BIG SCHOOLS:

What is seriously needed is someone who is willing to push it at their school. My school denied us from even having a club!, their grounds was because of insurance...whatever. Anyway, they checked out the NCAA and there isn't even anthing pending with them. Schools are allowed to have Ski Teams, why not Wakeboarding? It will be a long process, and probably won't benefit those of us in College now, but it needs to be done, and only a big school will do it. That will help pave the way for Collegiate Wakeboarding, and the future of the sport in general. The only problems I can forsee is a sponsorship issue dealing with people getting their boards for free...Anyone got any comments, or willing to push it?
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PostPosted: Aug 21, 2005 1:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

we're pushing it. we just need people at other schools to step up and help get things rolling...

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PostPosted: Aug 21, 2005 9:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The only problems I can forsee is a sponsorship issue dealing with people getting their boards for free...Anyone got any comments, or willing to push it?

Bowen, this part could be remedied by having a local shop or regional rep for a board company give you "deals" on boards. Or a "booster type of thing," where they give you a bunch of $$ and you buy their gear. sort of a sponsorship w/out a direct sponsorship.

Colleges have contracts with Nike, Adidas, and others for their sports uniforms and gear.

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PostPosted: Aug 21, 2005 10:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

yo! i live in seattle, wa, and up in bellingham (about an hour from here) is where wwu is (western washington university). they have won the collegiate nationals for 2 years in a row, i'd suggest checking that out.
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i need a contact from them to see what's up
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The governing body would be USA Waterski/Wakeboard, they provide the necessary insurance. Go to your school with information from them.
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USA Waterski is not the governing body...

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PostPosted: Aug 21, 2005 6:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In the latest issue of Wakeboarding mag they suggest going to the WWA (World Wakeboarding Association) for sanctioning and insurance purposes. Did anyone else read that article?
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PostPosted: Aug 22, 2005 10:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

BurntOrangeWake wrote:
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USA Waterski is not the governing body...


I wrote a post to provide you with some information. I was a collegiate club president for two years (waterski/wakeboard). Here is where I derived my information.

From what I understand, the WWA joined USA waterski at the beginning of the summer, and now USA Wakeboarding exists. www.usawakeboarding.com Now, I said to use USA Waterski as your governing body because they provide insurance for collegiate teams, something you said was very important to your school.

The governing bodies for competition for collegiate watersports is thhe National Collegiate Water Ski Association and National Collegiate Wakeboard Association, both subsets of USA Waterski.

If I have understood this incorrectly, please provide me with accurate information so I and others know. I'm just trying to help you out. So, again, forget the NCAA, it will never happen, and you don't want it to. There are way too many regulations, restrictions, and politics that don't fit in wakeboarding. And, the NCAA would never govern wakeboarding - thats just my opinion.

Contact USA waterski, tell them what you want to do, and IF they aren't the one's to help you out, I'm sure they would be more than willing to point you in the right direction. Again, this is my suggestions, I've dealt with them before and they are very receiptive to college teams. They want to spread watersports to our youth (college aged kids). Another suggestion, include waterskiing in your club, you'll attract more participants, and the school should give this more consideration if more students are affected. Good luck and keep us updated.
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PostPosted: Aug 22, 2005 10:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

BurntOrangeWake, do you need WWU's contact info?
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PostPosted: Aug 22, 2005 10:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

97Response,
*AWA combined w/ USA Waterski
*USA WAterski from my experience is NOT receptive to Wakeboard Only teams. To quote one of their board members, "wake boarding is just another fad... everyone wants to wake baord because it's easy..." "anybody can do a hoochie glide." and my favorite "water skiing will always be bigger than wake boarding."
*Most schools don't want water ski/wakeboard teams. They want 2 different teams or one or the other.

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PostPosted: Aug 22, 2005 1:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BurntOrangeWake - Are these facts you've received from USA Waterski? I'm trying to figure out your point, but I'm not sure what you're trying to get across.

*AWA combined w/ USA Waterski - True, is this a problem?


*USA WAterski from my experience is NOT receptive to Wakeboard Only teams. To quote one of their board members, "wake boarding is just another fad... everyone wants to wake baord because it's easy..." "anybody can do a hoochie glide." and my favorite "water skiing will always be bigger than wake boarding."

Since AWA combined with USA Waterski, I'd have a hard time believing a board member said this seeing as how it would be the exact opposite direction they took by merging with AWA. I guess I'll have to take your word on it, but I'd speak with a different member of USA Waterski.

*Most schools don't want water ski/wakeboard teams. They want 2 different teams or one or the other.

I think this is the exact opposite, most schools would want there to be one team because both are towed watersports. Skiing and wakeboarding are not cheap and in the eyes of the school, these sports are the same. I think most wakeboarders don't want to be associated with waterskiers and thats not the attitude to have. I had a great time in college with all my teammates no matter what they did on the water. Its a great way to meet all types of people and be exposed to all watersports diciplines.

If you don't mind me asking, why exactly do you want to become an "Official" Wakeboard team? I see your school has a waterski/wakeboard team together, but there's no reason the wakeboard aspect of your team can't go compete in collegiate wakeboard competitions.

Have you been to any collegiate water ski tournaments? Up here in the midwest, it was some of the best partying I ever did in college. Skiers & wakeboarders got along great, I would never use the word "lame".

Yah, boarders get the shaft a little in the tournaments, but have you ever tried jumping?
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PostPosted: Aug 22, 2005 1:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Yah, boarders get the shaft a little in the tournaments, but have you ever tried jumping?


This is the kind of attitude I'm opposing. "well if you're not happy w/ how wake baorders get shafted then just tryin jump or trick." If I wanted to ski I'd join the water skit team. I've been in contact w/ the water ski team and it's board members. They have no interest in wake boarding or skating except for leisure (which is not part of their club). We want recognition as a unique sport just like you would differentiate rugby and american football. Sure they both use a field and goal post but are they the same??? Sure we both use tow boats and water but are they the same? the answer is no to both. Stop trying to save the shrinking sport of water skiing by trying to convince the world that our sports are the same. Oh and that guy I talked to, holds the same attitude as most of the board. And he's pretty high up so I'd say his opinion matters since he has voting power.

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Chico State and ASU is huge
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