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Jimmy F Outlaw


Joined: 13 Jan 2003 Posts: 229 City: Virginia
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Posted: Apr 04, 2003 10:52 am Post subject: 2002 Sport Nautique |
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| Does anyone know if the hull of a 2002 Sport Nautique is the same as the 2002 SAN? I'm considering purchasing one of these and want to get a good idea of what the wake will be like going to see it. Thanks.
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DRAGON88 Ladies Man


Joined: 12 Jan 2003 Posts: 8213 City: Portland, OR
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Posted: Apr 04, 2003 1:07 pm Post subject: |
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Nope, the Sport uses the TSC hull and from what ive herd the SAN's use a completley diffrerent hull....or at least thats what the people that have SAN's tell me....but the 2002 is still an awsome boat that throws an awsome wake, ill throw up some pics of my wake when i get home (same hull).
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wakejunky Outlaw


Joined: 17 Jan 2003 Posts: 147 City: Cal.
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Posted: Apr 04, 2003 3:13 pm Post subject: |
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Dragon is right. CC uses the TSC hull in their Sport models which I think may be the TSC2 hull now. Whereas the SAN uses the same hull it has for the past oh 5 years or so. They've only done a slight modification to the hull behind the rudder but, essentially the same hull as previous years.
As for wake size and shape, I can tell you the SAN puts out a killer wake. I haven't personally ridden behind the TSC hull but, I can only think that it would be nice weighted properly.
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DRAGON88 Ladies Man


Joined: 12 Jan 2003 Posts: 8213 City: Portland, OR
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Posted: Apr 04, 2003 8:37 pm Post subject: |
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Ok, here it is, but the boat only had 550 in the back for ballast.... so the wake isnt very big.....

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DRAGON88 Ladies Man


Joined: 12 Jan 2003 Posts: 8213 City: Portland, OR
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Posted: Apr 05, 2003 7:41 pm Post subject: |
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heres anothor picture, that has better quality and better scale....

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fs04laoaksfny Soul Rider


Joined: 12 Jan 2003 Posts: 377 City: Southbridge
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Posted: Apr 05, 2003 9:00 pm Post subject: |
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| i love sports....i dont know why but i do....i board off a xstar and a sport and some reason i like the sports fealing better with a fat sac in the back and 6 guys in it...
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Preston Duke Outlaw

Joined: 14 Jan 2003 Posts: 150 City: Richmond, Va.
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Posted: Apr 06, 2003 8:17 am Post subject: |
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Dragon's picture is a horrible example of a sport's wake (sorry dragon).
They get MUCH bigger than that...
All in all, very dope boats.
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DRAGON88 Ladies Man


Joined: 12 Jan 2003 Posts: 8213 City: Portland, OR
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Posted: Apr 06, 2003 11:23 am Post subject: |
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Preston, i know The wake is huge whith 2000 in it, im getting new sacs this summer so ill be running about 2000 all the time....i cant wait!!!
The pictures that i posted only have 1 550 sac in the back.....
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Todd Armstrong Addict


Joined: 04 Feb 2003 Posts: 758 City: Battle Ground
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Posted: Apr 06, 2003 1:00 pm Post subject: |
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A Sport is a direct and the SAN is a V how can the hulls be close to the same?
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DRAGON88 Ladies Man


Joined: 12 Jan 2003 Posts: 8213 City: Portland, OR
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Posted: Apr 06, 2003 7:43 pm Post subject: |
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Todd, the shaft acctually comes out in the exact same place, in a vdrive and a Ddrive. MC uses the same Hulls the now X2 (last years X-star) has the same hull as a D-drive MC 205. so yes the hulls can be the same... do you even understand how a Vdrive works?? Ps: Turbo's are way more efficent than superchargers, according to my neighbor, who is a cerifyed mechanic / Rally Car driver / Rally car mechanic.
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Todd Armstrong Addict


Joined: 04 Feb 2003 Posts: 758 City: Battle Ground
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Posted: Apr 06, 2003 9:51 pm Post subject: |
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Smartass, I know have a v-drive works. I was just curious if the hulls can be similer due to the weight load difference of the engine placement. I remenbmer this was about you recommending a turbo insteed of a SC for a Toyota Tacoma. Turbos are more effecient for some appilications ( imports, light cars)that need quickness from only horsepower but overall a SC is much more prefereable( trucks, heavier cars, more overall power) due to increased torque and HP. If your neighbor recommend a turbo for a Toyota truck he is not as good as he says.
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DRAGON88 Ladies Man


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Posted: Apr 06, 2003 9:55 pm Post subject: |
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well considering that he won the 2 weel drive class for the oregon trail SCCA pro rally, and he just won a club rally in reno, I'd say that he is as good as he says... I mean he hast to be doing some thing right, to be winning all of the rallys that he's entered.... just for kicks and giggles "your the smartass"
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ohsix PityDaFool Who Posts This Much

Joined: 12 Jan 2003 Posts: 6837
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Posted: Apr 06, 2003 10:11 pm Post subject: |
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| Todd Armstrong wrote: | | Turbos are more effecient for some appilications ( imports, light cars)that need quickness from only horsepower but overall a SC is much more prefereable( trucks, heavier cars, more overall power) due to increased torque and HP. If your neighbor recommend a turbo for a Toyota truck he is not as good as he says. |
i beg to differ. why is every 18-wheeler you see on the highway turbo-charged instead of super? i would say they rely on torque to pull 80,000 lbs around. i dont know everything about super-chargers and turbo-chargers but i do know that it is popular belief that a turbo is preferable in most applications (excluding drag racing for the obvious reason of turbo lag.)
back to the subject. does anyone know what the current super-air hull is called and how long they have been using it?
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ohsix PityDaFool Who Posts This Much

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Posted: Apr 06, 2003 10:11 pm Post subject: |
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| Todd Armstrong wrote: | | Turbos are more effecient for some appilications ( imports, light cars)that need quickness from only horsepower but overall a SC is much more prefereable( trucks, heavier cars, more overall power) due to increased torque and HP. If your neighbor recommend a turbo for a Toyota truck he is not as good as he says. |
i beg to differ. why is every 18-wheeler you see on the highway turbo-charged instead of super? i would say they rely on torque to pull 80,000 lbs around. i dont know everything about super-chargers and turbo-chargers but i do know that it is popular belief that a turbo is preferable in most applications (excluding drag racing for the obvious reason of turbo lag.)
back to the subject. does anyone know what the current super-air hull is called and how long they have been using it?
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Todd Armstrong Addict


Joined: 04 Feb 2003 Posts: 758 City: Battle Ground
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Posted: Apr 07, 2003 10:58 am Post subject: |
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Wes , I worked at Freigtliner for 2 years in college and it is a totally different power addisions for a diesel to a gasoline engine. Dragon you are wrong and so is your neighbor, to think a turbo is better for a v6 truck to pull a boat. I would totally put a turbo on a rally car but not a pulling truck.
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Posted: Apr 08, 2003 5:38 pm Post subject: |
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| Turbos are used on smaller engines because they require less power to turn, i.e. they are more efficient. This is because they are powered by a small turbine in the exhaust system rather than a pulley on the crank, like a supercharger. Big rigs like turbos because they always operate in a very narrow RPM window - i.e. they run all day at the exact same rpm, so efficiency is more important than a broad powerband. Superchargers make more boost at lower RPMS, so the powerband is broader, especially in the bottom half of the RPM range. On a street car or truck with a v8, and on a marine engine, a supercharger will generally provide better overall performance than a turbo. Further, a supercharger system is much simpler than a turbo because it doesn't need all the extra junk in the exhaust. Superchargers are easier to tune and install as well. This being said, on certain applications, particularly smaller engines, a turbo is the way to go because its efficiency trumps all.
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fs04laoaksfny Soul Rider


Joined: 12 Jan 2003 Posts: 377 City: Southbridge
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Posted: Apr 09, 2003 10:53 am Post subject: |
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| Well think of it this way....drive a turbo charged car 200k miles and drive a super charged 200k miles whats going to work better?the turbo...turbos can run better over a longer period of time
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