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randall1
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PostPosted: Jul 27, 2005 7:01 am    Post subject: weight distribution and angle of attack Reply with quote

First off, thanks for all the help you guys have already given.

My new question has to do with general riding as opposed to edging into the wake.
1) I ride the flats with between 60 and 70 % weight on my back foot.
Is this right to start with.
2) If that is propper, do you keep the same distribution when you hit
the wake? It seems like people I watch have the nose of the board
well out of the water until just before the wake when the nose
comes down.
3) What is the angle of attack?
I have been trying to get my board as close to perpindicular with
the boat as possible when I hit the wake. Once again this doesn't
seem to be what people in the videos are doing. What do you
suggest?

Or do I just THINK that I'm doing this, but I am really actually going much more pointed at the boat than I feel?

I won't get to try your suggestions until the weekedn, but I'll let you know how it goes.
THANKS AGAIN,
R.
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PostPosted: Jul 27, 2005 9:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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1) I ride the flats with between 60 and 70 % weight on my back foot.
Is this right to start with.

i usually ride a little more balanced than that, more like 40-45% weight on the front and 55-60% on the back.
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2) If that is propper, do you keep the same distribution when you hit
the wake? It seems like people I watch have the nose of the board
well out of the water until just before the wake when the nose
comes down.

you want your weight to be about even on both feet when youre going off the wake, this prevent the nose from shooting up into the air at a 60 degree angle... that just looks stupid and makes for a sketchy landing.
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3) What is the angle of attack?
I have been trying to get my board as close to perpindicular with
the boat as possible when I hit the wake. Once again this doesn't
seem to be what people in the videos are doing. What do you
suggest?

don't worry so much about the angle of the board, what you want to do is LOAD THE LINE (get lots of tension). to do this you just want a good progressive edge where you start out edging softly and are edging the hardest when you're going off the wake. this generates the most airtime.
you'll skip out if you try to go off the wake perpindicular, but you can get really really close to perpindicular.. i've tried to see how close i can get and by the time im at the wake my board starts skipping some and tries to pop out of the water... but doing that is really unnecessary unless you're trying to do a raley or a raley-based trick where you really need that kind of edge.

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PostPosted: Jul 28, 2005 5:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cool, I'll try a more balanced ride. The only thing that I know I'll have trouble with is keeping my edge at the wake (not really a wake because all I have is a jet ski, but I figure if I can get everything right, then when I get to ride behind a boat it should come naturally) I have a bad habit of flattening the board and losing my edge right as I hit the wake.
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PostPosted: Aug 02, 2005 9:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I might be getting a little better, but it I still eat it almost constantly.
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PostPosted: Aug 03, 2005 9:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here is my 2 cents.
My new question has to do with general riding as opposed to edging into the wake.

1) I ride the flats with between 60 and 70 % weight on my back foot.

I think this is a comfort issue. as long as you feel good about what your doing more power to you.

2) If that is proper, do you keep the same distribution when you hit
the wake?

Here is where I differ from bhamglassman, The weight distribution determines the height you get off the wake. the more severe the angle the higher you go. The correct way to get air is not to push off the wake and rely on the wake to give you air, but to cut through the wake on the edge of the board and the angle of the jump will be determined by the angle of the board through the wake.


3) What is the angle of attack?

The answer to this question depends on how much speed you want in the trick, the boat speed etc. you don't want to hit the wake at a 90 deg angle to the boat unless the trick calls for it. doing this forces you to use the angle of the wake for height of the trick.

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PostPosted: Aug 04, 2005 9:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have this if it helps at all



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PostPosted: Aug 04, 2005 12:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nice pics
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PostPosted: Aug 04, 2005 1:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you want to learn to correct way to get air, take all the fins off your board and ride with out fins. This forces you to have to use the edge of the board. thus teching you the correct way to edge and jump. In the picture above the left side shows what not to do!
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PostPosted: Aug 04, 2005 6:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ckligor wrote:
Here is my 2 cents.
My new question has to do with general riding as opposed to edging into the wake.

1) I ride the flats with between 60 and 70 % weight on my back foot.

I think this is a comfort issue. as long as you feel good about what your doing more power to you.

2) If that is proper, do you keep the same distribution when you hit
the wake?

Here is where I differ from bhamglassman, The weight distribution determines the height you get off the wake. the more severe the angle the higher you go. The correct way to get air is not to push off the wake and rely on the wake to give you air, but to cut through the wake on the edge of the board and the angle of the jump will be determined by the angle of the board through the wake.


3) What is the angle of attack?

The answer to this question depends on how much speed you want in the trick, the boat speed etc. you don't want to hit the wake at a 90 deg angle to the boat unless the trick calls for it. doing this forces you to use the angle of the wake for height of the trick.


did you ever answer the question on wt distribution?
Are you riding up the wake, with an edge, with equal wt distrib, or slightly rear weighted?
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PostPosted: Aug 05, 2005 5:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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did you ever answer the question on wt distribution?
Are you riding up the wake, with an edge, with equal wt distrib, or slightly rear weighted?

I thought I covered that question in answer 2. The more weight you have on your back foot the more the front of the board lifts and higher you go. It's all about what you are trying to accomplish

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PostPosted: Sep 01, 2005 8:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I disagree ckligor, when you put more weight on your back foot before the wake you slow down a little, i think the best way is to get the angle w/o shifting your weight or atleast shifting as little weight as possible, and you dont wanna go in the air with your front foot way above your back foot which looks real sketchy
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PostPosted: Sep 18, 2005 9:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ride w No Fins like ckligor stated, this really helps in edging at the wake, this helped me by accident one day just goofin off with no fins. Try It
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PostPosted: Sep 18, 2005 9:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ckligor, the "incorrect" pics look like the ones in the background of last years hydroslide ads
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PostPosted: Sep 21, 2005 3:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ctipping, haha so true!

Dont worry about your weight distribution. Just to ride a wakeboard comfortably you need a certain weight distribution. If you try to lean back or forwards its not the natural wakeboard weight distribution. What feels natural is what you want to use.
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