As a driver how do you do a double up?

dustydude · Newbie Joined: 22 Apr 2005 Posts: 2 City: tulsa

wakekid29 · Criminal Joined: 21 Apr 2005 Posts: 78 City: STL

ok, drive straight, then vere left, then go straight, then turn night (fairly wide) then bring it back around and cross ur rollers at a 90degree angle....just remember to keep ur speed constand....i hope this visual works, and helps

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wakekid29 · Criminal Joined: 21 Apr 2005 Posts: 78 City: STL

ok, so my visual looked right when i drew it, but didnt turn out here.(guess i should have previewed it)..my bust

wakerider1223 · Posted: Apr 22, 2005 4:51 pm Post subject:

yeah wakekid's got it.

jryoung · Ladies Man Joined: 19 Mar 2004 Posts: 7664 City: Man Jose

There are two basic patterns. You can come back through your path (preferred) to keep driving in a linear path. Or you can just go out and make a big turn and cross your wake.

Both pictures below are for a Regular foot HS or Goofy TS (so the rider is always in the circle.

The angle of the boat path crossing the wake is all personal preference. Generally for most riders the angle should be somewhere between 75 and 90 degrees, I have never heard of someone going greater than 90. Again, it is all preference and you will need to experiment with it.

Remember to increase the throttle as you begin to initiate your turns, as the boat will naturally slow down. Come out of the last turn, make sure the speed is level, and you have a nice straight path across the wake and well beyond untill the rider has landed.

roundbaywakeboard · Posted: Apr 23, 2005 9:35 pm Post subject:

Dude that looks like a wang. jryoung, You are an artist, sir.

WakeRider221 · Newbie Joined: 14 Apr 2005 Posts: 12

whats doubling up mean?

jryoung · Ladies Man Joined: 19 Mar 2004 Posts: 7664 City: Man Jose

WakeRider221, All wakes/waves do not cancel or diminish eachother when they cross paths, they literally stack together for a brief moment, hence "double up"

See my pictures above, it is when you drive back across your wake and as a rider time your jump at the precise moment the wakes have converged.

ps if you don't know what a double up is, you may not need an expert board/bindings. Wink

wakekid29 · Criminal Joined: 21 Apr 2005 Posts: 78 City: STL

yah, gonna have to go with jryoung on this one. if ya dont know what a double up is, ur probably not ready for an advanced ride. demo and get something that fits ur riding needs and will allow you to progress. most likely you wont learn anything on an advanced stick except the old infamous 'roll to faceplant'

WakeRider221 · Newbie Joined: 14 Apr 2005 Posts: 12

ive been wakeboarding for a couple of years now and i didnt know anything about it when i started. i skate and snowboard so i picked it up really quickly. i can jump w2w and suface 180. the whole reason i joined this website is because i know nothing about the sport and i really enjoy doing it, so i really wanted to learn more about it. i want a beter board because when i got on my friends hyperlite i realized how much nicer his board rode.

wakekid29 · Criminal Joined: 21 Apr 2005 Posts: 78 City: STL

gotcha, but just know that an advanced board isnt gonna make ya ride better, most of the beginner/intermediate boards will ride very well and help you progress quicker. what hyperlite board does he have?

jryoung · Ladies Man Joined: 19 Mar 2004 Posts: 7664 City: Man Jose

WakeRider221, What model board was it? The important thing the remember when picking a board is size and dimensions, brand name should come last. Hyperlite in wakeboarding is the equivalent of Burton in snowboarding. They have the marketing machine to attempt to convince you they are the best.

Find out the specifics of his board, meaning: Rocker type, length, tip/tail width, base design, molded fins, screw in fins, center spine etc. Compare this to yours, how is it different. When you realize what characteristics you like best about a board, put them together and find who makes a board that will best fit your requirements.

Good luck on your quest, board shopping can be difficult, but as I have mentioned put brand name last and focus on what is going to be the best ride for you.

DaveTO · Criminal Joined: 06 Mar 2005 Posts: 71 City: Toronto

I found this pic deep in the old computer...see if it helps:

wakekid29 · Criminal Joined: 21 Apr 2005 Posts: 78 City: STL

nice step by step, should be a great help to those learning to drive a double up

Enzoborder230 · Posted: Apr 26, 2005 12:21 pm Post subject:

thats a helpful pic

WakeRider221 · Newbie Joined: 14 Apr 2005 Posts: 12

JRYOUNG-my buddy's board is a 03 hyperlite TFD with 04 parks bindings. and do u get more air or sumthing if you hit a "double up" wake?

jryoung · Ladies Man Joined: 19 Mar 2004 Posts: 7664 City: Man Jose

WakeRider221 · Newbie Joined: 14 Apr 2005 Posts: 12

jryoung, i was looking at the package deals on wakeside.com for either the liquid force sphinx or the hyperlite state package. which would you recommend and why? thanks, im sorry for all of the question but i dont know what the specs and stuff mean on wakeboards.

WakeRider221 · Newbie Joined: 14 Apr 2005 Posts: 12

im now riding a liquid force rythem 41 with matching bindings, which doesnt compare to the hyperlite my buddy rides. what do you think?thanks alot

Lyle · Posted: Apr 28, 2005 9:35 am Post subject:

DaveTO,

Dude! That is a sweet picture.

luketx04 · Outlaw Joined: 02 Mar 2005 Posts: 145 City: Houston

very nice visual

DaveTO · Criminal Joined: 06 Mar 2005 Posts: 71 City: Toronto

Lyle, I'd love to take credit for it, but I just copied it from a wakeboarding forum about 3 years ago. Luckily, it survived a Windows XP blue-screen death.

Lyle · Posted: Apr 28, 2005 11:31 am Post subject:

DaveTO,
Don't worry if you ever lose it I still have the original. I made it for the guys I ride with and laminated it to keep in the boat.

J_DOGG · Posted: Apr 29, 2005 2:47 am Post subject:

jryoung, has it correct on the LEFT.

You want the kink so when you come back through the D-up you are already in-between your wakes so you can go back the other way with out having to drag the rider over your rollers.

The one on the right works also but right after the rider lands the driver needs to make a hard turn to stay between his wake.

The one on the right is easier to drive right and the one on the left once you get it is the more preferred way to go.

The approach angle is a rider preference. I like mine a bit open.

Lyle · Posted: Apr 29, 2005 7:34 am Post subject:

The problem with the one on the left is you end up getting a mini double up. Watch when the boat turns the wake gets bigger on the inside of the turn and smaller on the outside, so by putting a kink in the D-up like the one on the left there is barely anything there to hit. Kind of like going to the strip bars you get yourself all worked up for something that never happens. Laughing

jryoung · Ladies Man Joined: 19 Mar 2004 Posts: 7664 City: Man Jose

Lyle That's why as a driver you make a quick left (or right turn), and when you come back around cross the wake in an area after the boat settled from the intial turn. You'll have to still cut back to your original path but the turn in not as drastic if you make the big looping single turn.

If you are going to make a single turn, I would suggest creating a small kink in the wake, harder to drive, harder to hit but they are fricken huge. Ryan Seabring drove the for me on the LFTAA 4 years ago.

Spyplane8 · Outlaw Joined: 10 Feb 2003 Posts: 228

Here you go

FunkmaztafoX · Outlaw Joined: 14 Mar 2004 Posts: 238 City: Charlotte

bump for the visuals. gonna try this during the weekend.

bhamglassman · Soul Rider Joined: 21 Jun 2005 Posts: 338 City: Bellingham

I never really knew the best way to drive a dup so i've just been driving in a large square and then driving over the rollers from the first side... an off-topic question how do i add an image to my post, i drew my dup in paint and dunno how to put it on here.

AndyAndy · Addict Joined: 09 Aug 2004 Posts: 660 City: cutchogue

Ive never tried a double up, as you ride towards teh wake do the rollers cause that much trouble as your ide through them?

Wakebrad · Ladies Man Joined: 11 Dec 2003 Posts: 12257 City: Dallas

I disagree with some of the drawings here. When you cut through your waves on a convex curve the waves are smaller. Your d-ups will be much smaller if you cross them at the point where the waves are curving. If you hit them when they are straight they will be much bigger. Also if you hit them on a concave curl they will be huge. That's how you do T-ups. Case in point. Watch when you make your turns for your d-ups. The inside of the turn has HUGE rollers that form from the combined wakes while the outside dissipates.

Wakebrad · Ladies Man Joined: 11 Dec 2003 Posts: 12257 City: Dallas

DaveTO's drawing has it perfect. Slight concave curl.

J_DOGG · Posted: Jul 08, 2005 2:22 pm Post subject:

Spyplane8, that's how I like EM......

The further away you drive from the d-up the softer it gets.
Rule of thumb in my boat, drive it as tight as you can.

bhamglassman · Soul Rider Joined: 21 Jun 2005 Posts: 338 City: Bellingham