What's wrong with this picture?

derek_lukasik · Newbie Joined: 09 Jun 2004 Posts: 44 City: Fort Collins

Here are a couple of bad pictures of my backroll attempts. The camera we used was pretty pathetic, my apologies for the lack of focus and graininess. I'm going to have to get mine out there to get a good sequence.

Anyway, I think the camera is going to help me quite a bit. Looks like I'm letting go of the handle 1/2 way through the rotation. Also, I'm dropping my back hand right at/before takeoff. Probably slowing down my rotation (though it feels like I'm spinning pretty good). I usually land nose in about 3/4 of the way around.

Derek

ibusthard · Outlaw Joined: 16 May 2005 Posts: 223 City: Houston

your dropping your font hand at take off, so thats gonna be part of your problem. Try to pull the handle in close to your lead hip too.

GMan · Newbie Joined: 21 Jun 2005 Posts: 5

are those temet bindings? If they are, rock, I have em and I love em! Good choice.

Cant help much on backroll, but it doesnt look like you are getting much pop...you are fairly low.

HOLLOMAN101 · Soul Rider Joined: 26 Jul 2003 Posts: 478 City: Austin

hes right when you drop you hand like that it opens you shoulders up and you wont be able to make it a true back roll keep the handle in tight and it will be alot easier.

derek_lukasik · Newbie Joined: 09 Jun 2004 Posts: 44 City: Fort Collins

Yup, Temet bindings. Love 'em.

Never even realized that I'm dropping my lead hand like that.
Gonna have to take some more pics to analyze my issues. Thanks
for the tips. I'll try focusing on hanging on and keeping the handle
in close throughout.

Derek

ontrider · Ladies Man Joined: 30 Jul 2003 Posts: 16491 City: Russia

See where the tail of your board is in the second pic? From that, it looks to me like you're just rolling off the wake, not popping first. And in the second pic, you should have both hands on the handle and have it in close to your body.

ibusthard · Outlaw Joined: 16 May 2005 Posts: 223 City: Houston

that wake also looks kinda small, but it can still be done if you wait for the pop, as little as it may be. The main thing is to keep your hands on the rope and pull the handle in tighter.

ontrider · Ladies Man Joined: 30 Jul 2003 Posts: 16491 City: Russia

derek_lukasik · Newbie Joined: 09 Jun 2004 Posts: 44 City: Fort Collins

jryoung · Ladies Man Joined: 19 Mar 2004 Posts: 7664 City: Man Jose

My advice, work off that farmers tan. Even with crappy pics your arms are as contrasting as the black and tan I had lastnight. Laughing

Bring the handle in to your body, there is no (except raley based) trick in wakeboarding where it is beneficial to let it get away from you.

What lake is that?

derek_lukasik · Newbie Joined: 09 Jun 2004 Posts: 44 City: Fort Collins

ibusthard · Outlaw Joined: 16 May 2005 Posts: 223 City: Houston

Well, I ride behind a boat that has a much bigger wake, but dont get me wrong, I'm not saying anything bad about yours man. I dont even have a boat so I have no room to criticize.

ontrider · Ladies Man Joined: 30 Jul 2003 Posts: 16491 City: Russia

Another thing, looking at the second set of pics. Try to distribute your weight more evenly when edging in, it looks like you're a bit back foot heavy. You'll get more pop doing this as well.

wake1ghuth · Outlaw Joined: 03 Jul 2003 Posts: 177 City: Columbus

derek_lukasik,

On a HS W2W jump, try not to bunch up like you are in those pictures. You are loosing a lot of pop by bringing your legs up like that. Edge up the wake, straighten legs, keep your chin up, focus on the opposite shore, and keep your chest out (like puffing up your chest to impress the girls) This straightened out body position will keep you on balance all the way through the jump. It looks cleaner too.

Then when you go to the back roll... keep this same body position... Your rotation will be nice and slow and controllable. Edge up the wake and right at the top just edge away from the boat a little bit. This will initiate the roll. You don't have to throw your weight or head in any direction for this trick. As every one has already said, hang on with both hands. Letting go with your front hand is how you do a roll to revert. By letting go your body starts to turn 180. R2R is actually a much smoother, more natural rotation, but don’t go there till you have a few backrolls down first. Once you hit a few BR’s and a few R2R’s you’ll realize that R2R is actually a much easier and more controllable invert. I don’t really know if you’re doing 180’s yet… so that might be something to keep in mind for latter on….

Hope that helps,

wake1ghuth · Outlaw Joined: 03 Jul 2003 Posts: 177 City: Columbus

In your fist pic. you are half way to a Roll to Revert

wkebrd3 · Posted: Jun 23, 2005 6:57 am Post subject:

And when you do have both hands on the handle, when you're on the way down spotting your landing, pull that rope in as much as you can to your waist. This will help you finish rotating (faster).

derek_lukasik · Newbie Joined: 09 Jun 2004 Posts: 44 City: Fort Collins

Hey everyone. I am so close! I went out last night (and yesterday morning). I didn't intend to try any more backrolls for the night because my left leg is basically one huge bruise from smacking the water repeatedly. I figured I'd work on the tantrum some more. Who knew that holding on with your front hand would be so important. Still can't believe I was doing that.

Anyway, I couldn't resist and tried a couple last night and I was basically there. I held on tight with both hands all the way through the rotation. Whaddya know, I rotated a lot faster. I think I was getting better pop too since I was crashing out in the flats.

The only problem now is I'm still rolling to revert. I came around and spotted the landing and then realized, hey, I'm gonna land switch. This screwed me up and I wiped out. So, should I be letting go with my back hand part way through the roll? Or should I be pushing the handle towards my front hip (left)?

Thanks for all the pointers. I don't have any pics from my latest attempts. Next time out, I'll try and get some. My crew said those last two attempts looked really good. The rotation definitely felt "right" with both hands on the handle...

Derek

derek_lukasik · Newbie Joined: 09 Jun 2004 Posts: 44 City: Fort Collins

OK, turns out I did have a decent sequence of pictures from Wed AM.
These are off of a friend's boat that has a much smaller wake than
mine. You can see that I figured out how to hold onto the handle. I
think the problem here is that I'm not getting high enough to allow the
rotation to complete. In the second and third pics, you can see that I'm
backing off my edge. I wish I had some pics from Wed night...

Derek

138DNAparks · Outlaw Joined: 29 Aug 2004 Posts: 188 City: Moses Lake

Your friend needs to get some fatsacs, that wake is extremely flat and will be hard to get enough pop for an invert.

Cameron · Outlaw Joined: 28 Aug 2003 Posts: 180 City: Down Under

Dude with your backroll you are backing off into the wake. A backroll uses a progressive cut, that is that your at number 1 (weakest cut) at the beginning and number 5 (hardest cut) at the peak of the wake. The backroll is a sort of sweeping motion and this is why your able to do them without the wake... you really need that handle close to your body and pushed down onto your lead hip and kept there for the entire rotation...

With your wake you'll want to cut from the same place but progressively cut and that will get you the distance to clear the wake due to your speed, and then secondly the progressive cut combined with you pushing off the wake with your legs at hte peak of the wake will get you enough 'pop' and height to do the rotation.

Cameron · Outlaw Joined: 28 Aug 2003 Posts: 180 City: Down Under

Dude with your backroll you are backing off into the wake. A backroll uses a progressive cut, that is that your at number 1 (weakest cut) at the beginning and number 5 (hardest cut) at the peak of the wake. The backroll is a sort of sweeping motion and this is why your able to do them without the wake... you really need that handle close to your body and pushed down onto your lead hip and kept there for the entire rotation...

With your wake you'll want to cut from the same place but progressively cut and that will get you the distance to clear the wake due to your speed, and then secondly the progressive cut combined with you pushing off the wake with your legs at hte peak of the wake will get you enough 'pop' and height to do the rotation.

ontrider · Ladies Man Joined: 30 Jul 2003 Posts: 16491 City: Russia

snooks · Soul Rider Joined: 27 Apr 2005 Posts: 313 City: Calgary

looks to me like u goin to faceplant lmao

kid · Outlaw Joined: 14 Apr 2004 Posts: 248 City: chico

the hardest part of your cut should be at the otp of the wake turning the board away..and the harder you cut the faster the rotation

als132 · Soul Rider Joined: 10 Mar 2005 Posts: 462 City: shoreline

whats wrong with that picture???

1. your wearing gloves

2. you have no rope in your hand

DJew Jake · Posted: Jun 28, 2005 9:05 am Post subject:

Thoust must pop. Jut dont worry about the flip force yoruself to stand tall and only roatet abit, it will feel like you wont make it then you will realize how much time you have.

pbfoot · Criminal Joined: 28 Jun 2005 Posts: 67 City: Grand Rapids

You don't need a big wake to do a backroll. Wakeboarding is all about technique!!

It looks like you are throwing your body off of the wake instead of letting the rope pull you up and around. All you have to do for a backroll is ride a progressive edge into the wake. Put a little more weight on your rear foot as you ride up the wake. You have to ride all the way through the wake for 2 reasons...1) If you don't you won't get enough pop to have a SLOW rotation...the backroll should be slow and high and you should be able to spot your landing very easily. 2) If you don't ride progressively through the wake you will not roll properly and may end up spinning during your rotation.

My first suggestion is to work on your wake jump. You NEED to cut all the way through the wake and stand tall while holding the handle down to your hip with both hands. You shouldnt be bending your knees unless you're going for a grab or a 360, etc.

Take your time with this trick, let the boat and wake do all of the work. Here is a 24 second clip of me biting it with a nasty tantrum Sad

and 2 backrolls; its in slow motion so you can just keep clicking play then pause to see what I'm doing. Notice how my handle position never changes and how I don't lose the line tension (this is what pulls you through the trick). Let me know if this helps. Later bro.

http://www2.gvsu.edu/~vereshmj/help.html
Click on I can't figure this out..."Tantrum Help"

RiD3 HaRd

Michael

jbt200 · Posted: Jul 03, 2005 4:34 pm Post subject:

AndyAndy · Addict Joined: 09 Aug 2004 Posts: 660 City: cutchogue

yea if you hold on with both hands itll help alot