GAS money

bhamglassman · Soul Rider Joined: 21 Jun 2005 Posts: 338 City: Bellingham

I just got a new boat and we've put like 50 hours on it in the past few weeks. How do you guys go about collecting money for gas? I've just been charging about 5 bucks for everyone who wants to ride but I usually end up having to pay more than my share in the end.
What method do you guys use for pooling gas money? thanks

DavidHoff · Posted: Jun 22, 2005 7:15 pm Post subject:

$5...Per set!

Bruky · Guest

Inviting people on your boat and charging them to ride is stupid. Just don't invite 60 people.

Didn't you figure you'd have to pay for gas when you bought your boat?

bhamglassman · Soul Rider Joined: 21 Jun 2005 Posts: 338 City: Bellingham

wakedude83 · Posted: Jun 22, 2005 7:37 pm Post subject:

Wow - I can't believe that guy said charging people for gas was stupid! I'd be completely broke! Another way to go about the gas issue is to have your buddies bring cans of gas. That way, it doesn't make you feel weird, if that's the problem. Once somebody brings gas, the people who don't will feel weird coming to the boat empty-handed.

pyrocasto · Posted: Jun 22, 2005 7:37 pm Post subject:

Liquidmx · Addict Joined: 26 Jul 2004 Posts: 755 City: San Jose

Yah I qoute the riders that come on my boat about $5 per set depending on how far out we have to drive, how long of a set, etc.

The thing we adopted lately is to full up the boat before we go intially. Then after our day on the water we stop at the pumps and fill up for next time. Once we calculate who owes what we are all square, no one feels ripped off, and the boat is ready to go for the next time. I usually try to keep the majority of the crew in my tahoe that way at the pump everyone see's the amount of gas we went through for the conspiracy theorists and the newbs who have no clue how much gas a sacked boat can go through.

bhamglassman · Soul Rider Joined: 21 Jun 2005 Posts: 338 City: Bellingham

Liquidmx, that's a great idea, i'm going to have to integrate that payment system asap. only prob is people have to go places immediately after we ride sometimes.. ill just have to make it known that we have to refill before people go

bumblebobbie · Newbie Joined: 12 Jun 2003 Posts: 29 City: Bay Area, CA

I think its proper boat etiquette to pitch in for gas. $5 a person seems like a good amount depending on how many people and how long they ride.
Just figure out how much you average a day to take the boat out...$50 or more for gas...do you have to fill up in the middle of the day?...are you providing food or water? Don't include gas for towing cuz you would drive to get there if it was somebody else's boat...than split it from there...but unfortunately...depending on who your passengers are...of course your gonna pay the extra. You also have to maintain and clean your boat and trailer. But that was to be expected when you got the boat right?
Another way your friends can help is after taking the boat out...helping wipe it down and cleanin so it will be good to go the next time.

Good Luck!

Bruky · Guest

I don't pay when I go on friends boats and they don't pay when they come on my boat.

I don't want to be thinking about a taxi fee when I'm riding. If YOU invite someone, its YOUR treat to them. I'd find it rude if I was invited onto someone's boat to go riding and they told me I owed them money.

bhamglassman · Soul Rider Joined: 21 Jun 2005 Posts: 338 City: Bellingham

Bruky, been there, done that, lost 120 bucks.

Bruky · Guest

No, you gave 120 bucks, intentionally.

bpatters · Newbie Joined: 23 Jun 2004 Posts: 17

ridinaz · Soul Rider Joined: 12 Jan 2005 Posts: 257 City: Scottsdale

If you have good freinds this should never be an issue. When I have the "guys" on the boat for a few sets I dont hand a bill over when they get out of the water. Pretty much anyone of my freinds who goes generally will hand over a 20 spot before we even hit the water. They understand what it takes to have a boat as far as payment, maintence, gas, etc.. They are grateful that they dont have to worry about all that crap and feel that 20 is a gift to them. If by chance I dont receive any funds one week...no big deal, I expect to put gas in anyway. Its not like I'm not going to go if I dont get gas money from anybody.

Bruky · Guest

ridinaz · Soul Rider Joined: 12 Jan 2005 Posts: 257 City: Scottsdale

unsponsored · Criminal Joined: 31 May 2005 Posts: 68

Bruky,

I think thats fine if you have aboat and your crew have boats, so i guess you share the expense in the same ways, I get a ride on yours and you ride mine no charge except the beverages...

But when the crew we ride with have only one boat, its expected for everyone to throw in MINIMUM $20 whether you have one set or ten. That way everyone knows the go and everyones happy, because a lot of the time they dont help clean and service the boat. And to be honest if someone doesnt want to sling $20 for a day in a Nautique they can go and ride with someone else..

btcarro · Posted: Jun 22, 2005 9:12 pm Post subject:

My boat runs on THANKS.... and runs damn good too!

Try it open the gas cap, and yell "THANKS"!!!! Then when you have a straggler on the boat that doesn't offer up, ask him to come and yell into the tank too.

Honestly like Ridinaz said, you shouldn't have to ask everytime, once in a while is cool more than that is abusing the priviledge.

Bruky · Guest

midwesty · Posted: Jun 22, 2005 9:48 pm Post subject:

Bruky, good points and not so good points

but i also have a feeling that you have a crew that is into boarding and hanging out and can offer up cash or services for their time on the water....

most people dont have those luxuries...i mean...can u imagine asking a hooker if she can drop the price of her "fee" by $20 for gas ...only because u needed a 3rd and she was the only one available???

trust me...its been thought about many a times Embarassed

_Jason_ · Soul Rider Joined: 15 Dec 2004 Posts: 275

In a way i totally agree with Bruky bcuz if i went on there boat i wouldnt want to pay. So it equals out. Plus ppl will stop wanting to join and weigh down the boat if you ask them for to much. Just my 2 cents but i totally see where Bruky is coming from. Its just a matter of personal opinon and generosity Cool

Liquidmx · Addict Joined: 26 Jul 2004 Posts: 755 City: San Jose

I think there is a difference between groups of people who ride together often, and inviting a 3rd because you and your buddy would not be able to ride without them.

I also think there is a difference on the amount of expendible money people have. I am a college student graduating soon (knocking on wood) and money is tight. The money is tight enough that I could not ride more than a couple times a month if I had to cover the second and third persons sets. The guys I ride with are in a somewhat similar boat (no pun intended). So when we go out its pretty organized, no one gets offended and everyone is pleased with the outcome. In fact for memorial weekend there were four of us, and it ended up costing each of us 60.00 for the weekend between gas for all riding together in tow vehicle, boat gas, and each of us contributing to the food and beverage kitty. We had a blast and it would not have happened unless everyone understood what a tight budget each other was working with. I personally could care less if someone needed to be frugal in order to ride more often in their own interests, especially since I have been there. In fact I some day when the cash is more abundant I plan on being able to treat people when I choose to.

I guess if you really rode a lot and wanted to get technical then there would be a gift tax(form 909) owed to uncle sam.

I guess if you have been there its easier to understand, I can see both sides. I dont understand why people would get angry about having to pay for gas if someone doesnt have an expendable income similar to theirs. I guess we need to start comparing prior year AGI's to really know whether someone just being cheap or needing the money Rolling Eyes

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DaBigKahuna · Criminal Joined: 20 May 2003 Posts: 60 City: Honolulu

I can't believe this is even an issue. If you ride (on a regular basis) with people who need to be educated on proper etiquette, than maybe you should reconsider taking those people on your boat. These types of people have no idea how expensive owning a boat can be, and they won’t even flinch when there shoes rip your upholstery, or when there beer spills on your carpet.

On the other hand, if you are loaded and don’t care about that kind of stuff, God Bless you. I wish I could be in your shoes! By the way, can I borrow some money? Laughing

Riders Realm · Newbie Joined: 06 Jun 2005 Posts: 12 City: Vancouver

The best solution to getting gas money:

Get a sticker that says "This boat runs on gas, not thanks"

Best sticker ever. Everyone on the boat will laugh and also get the picture.

ibusthard · Outlaw Joined: 16 May 2005 Posts: 223 City: Houston

I usualy pay a minimum of 20 bux to ride on the boats I ride on. I dont have a boat, so I always pay the owners. Sometimes I've even filled up the tank myself. Although I dont have a boat, I am well aware of the expense of them. I figure that the boat owner has the boat payment, plus insurance, and maintenance, so he shouldn't have to pay for gas, unless he's going out there by himself. most of the boats I ride on takes about 80-100 bux to fill up, and I ride two or three times a week on different boats. I'm in a local wakeboarding club as well, so everyone knows the rules for paying gas money. It's one thing if a boat owner invites some friends from work for a day on the water, then I wouldn't expect them to pitch on gas because they wre invited. But for us that ride multiple times a week, we know how much gas is, especially since gas prices have gone up some much.

FunkmaztafoX · Outlaw Joined: 14 Mar 2004 Posts: 238 City: Charlotte

joedirt00 · Posted: Jun 23, 2005 5:28 am Post subject:

I think the old saying goes:

Gas
Grass
Or
A$$

Personally I feel fine paying for my sets on somebody elses boat, but I feel really strange about taking sombody's money. Infact a couple weeks ago I was given some $$ and I made my wife stick it back in his wallet when he put his stuff down to "see" the spot he missed wiping down the boat Wink

Anyway after he noticed, he came up to the window before I pulled away, threw it in my truck and ran. I did endup giving it back to him for somw sets the other night though.

Am I the only one that feels strange about taking gas money?

FunkmaztafoX · Outlaw Joined: 14 Mar 2004 Posts: 238 City: Charlotte

ibusthard · Outlaw Joined: 16 May 2005 Posts: 223 City: Houston

I just put it in the glove box on the boat, and I make sure the boat owner sees me putting it there so he knows I pitched in. On occasion I'll supply all the beer instead of gas, but thats usually at the owners request.

hamkj · Soul Rider Joined: 19 Dec 2003 Posts: 303 City: City

$5..... I can't even pee in my tank for $5.... At minimum... guys will pay me $20 per set. I always have grand new equipment on the boat... boat is always full of gas.... and the 2500lbs of ballast is full... and then I have to drive and pay for maintenance and insurance.... $20 is a steal!!! My boat isn't goodwill for the homeless or less fortunate. It is for the smart people that realize... it is better to ride with someone else then own your own boat!

If people dont bring cash with them... maybe put a wireless interac on your boat... at least you will get some gas money hahahaha.....

My boat runs on high octane fuel...... not thanks... not catcha next time.... not i am bringing fat or phat chicks....

wake1ghuth · Outlaw Joined: 03 Jul 2003 Posts: 177 City: Columbus

I practically live with the people who take me wakeboarding. They are a husband and wife duo and I am the only dedicated third they have. If I don't show, it usually means they don't go. Regardless of whether or not I am required to be there, it's still just an @$$ hole move to not pay your own way! I don't pay a standard fee but I have powerwashed 100's of moss covered steps, stained deck and dock, mowed the lawn, purchased rope and handle, helped build the boat lift, brought lunches, paid for dinners, wiped down, cleaned up, and provided plenty of beer. I understand... Burky... if you own a boat, and they own a boat, and you all just take turns than yes it all kinda balances out, but don't let a bunch of young boatless kids take advantage of you! Thirds should always carry their own weight!
Gas isn't even the biggest expense! It's the wear and tear, hours, and loss of resale value that really hurt a boat owner!

"Our boat runs on gas, not thanks!"

ibusthard · Outlaw Joined: 16 May 2005 Posts: 223 City: Houston

Commodore · Ladies Man Joined: 20 Jun 2005 Posts: 11636

Everysituation is different, it all comes down to who you ride with. On my old boat I never charged for gas, happily it didn't eat much, plus gas was only $1.25/gallon.
But for the last 2 months, I have been riding on my buddies boat. He never asked for gas money, but I understood and happily donated a fair share.

I just got another boat, and I won't ask people for money. The guys who ride with me all the time that wakeboard, also have boats, so it's all fair now. Anyone who doesn't really wakeboard, just rides, I have no problems with paying for it.

jryoung · Ladies Man Joined: 19 Mar 2004 Posts: 7664 City: Man Jose

You have to charge people? Do you have a measuring stick that says "You must be this tall to ride this ride"? Laughing

It's terrible that people don't have enough social grace to offer up cash, whether you want to take it or not that's you perogative, but all riders should offer. People are so ungrateful.

It's a common sense rule, when I was in college I had the only 4x4 vehicle, so without question I drove everyday we went snowboarding. I never asked for cash, but my friends were always handing over $5 at the pump (gas was a $1/gal then).

I don't own a boat, I've never been asked for gas money, I've always had my wallet out first. When it comes to maintenance, I'm always there with a towel at the end of the day, or running to pick up detail supplies at West Marine, or there first thing in the morning when we are starting a new project.

jzwake · Addict Joined: 12 Dec 2003 Posts: 801

Anyone in you regular riding crew who can;t return the favor (ie: has a boat) should offer a generous amount of cash for gas. Its not exactly 99 cents a gallon anymore.

I expect help with buying gas from any regulars that are boatless. I don't however feel they should be paying some absorbant amount becuase I make boat payments and cover maitenance/insurance. thats just silly. I bought the boat, I accept the costs of ownership. Help cleaning it up after sets is all I ask.

If all bruky's regulars have boats they cycle through, of course they shouldn't bother passing the same 20 dollar bill around. But if one guy doesn't have a boat, he better be contributing in the CGA method.

As for digging out that random 3 times a year rider for a 3rd, no gas cash expected. He's probably doing you/I more of a favor by showing up.
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