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mathew Newbie

Joined: 26 Aug 2003 Posts: 23 City: concord
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Posted: Jun 17, 2005 12:45 pm Post subject: clear lake |
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| Does anyone ever wakeboard at Clear Lake in Ca. Is it a good place to board?
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kid Outlaw


Joined: 14 Apr 2004 Posts: 248 City: chico
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Posted: Jun 17, 2005 12:49 pm Post subject: |
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i heard its not that clear
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skinautique1985 Outlaw

Joined: 26 Feb 2003 Posts: 140 City: Yuba CIty,CA
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Posted: Jun 17, 2005 12:57 pm Post subject: |
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| not great... open and choppy, often windy ... oddly enough, that's where boardstock is this year.
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Hockeyplayer Wakeboarder.Commie


Joined: 14 Aug 2003 Posts: 1473 City: San Diego/San Marcos
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Posted: Jun 17, 2005 1:22 pm Post subject: |
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Have you ever been to clear lake? It is probably one of the most disgusting lakes in America. The Lake is surrounded by towns that couldn't get more white trash. The area is about as depressed as they come. The lake is always pure chop and there are sometimes that I would be afraid to take the boat out into the chop because its soo bad. On top of all that the lake has like a film over it that is completely disgusting and often times smells terrible.
If your planning a trip to clear lake I would highly recommend you cancel and consider another location. Terrible area and a terrible lake.
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justsomeguy Guest
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Posted: Jun 17, 2005 2:05 pm Post subject: |
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| Hockeyplayer wrote: | | The lake is always pure chop and there are sometimes that I would be afraid to take the boat out into the chop because its soo bad. On top of all that the lake has like a film over it that is completely disgusting and often times smells terrible. |
I wonder if you've ever been to the lake based upon your comments.
Yes, at times there's a problem with algae blooms. There are also many times when the water is quite clear, like this past Memorial day, or last Labor day. I've been going to Clear Lake for fifteen years and staying on the lake with friends and the times where algae was a problem were far, far outnumbered by the times when the water was just fine..
Yes, the white trash factor is off the hook in Lake County. That's why we hang on the lake and at the house (or cruise to Konocti for some of the best people watching this side of Jerry Springer).
Finally, the lake is not always "pure chop" (see picture from last Labor Day below). Like many lakes, you can get great water if you board between 6-9 on busy weekends, or later mid-week.

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Hockeyplayer Wakeboarder.Commie


Joined: 14 Aug 2003 Posts: 1473 City: San Diego/San Marcos
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Posted: Jun 17, 2005 2:21 pm Post subject: |
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justsomeguy, Been on the lake twice. Never again (except for boardstock this year)
I drive past the lake twice a week on 20. Usually Early in the morning (6-8AM) or in the evening and RARELY do i see nice water. Obviously there are times when the water will be nice (Hell I board on Tahoe twice a year) but from my experience I have found that more often than not the lake is chopped up and generally appears very dirty. If mathew is looking for a lake where he can wakeboard for the better portion of the day, enjoy nice water, good people and good food then I WOULD NOT recommend Clear Lake. I could recommend tons of lakes within the close vicinity that serve as much better wakeboarding lakes than Clear lake. (ie: Oroville, Shasta, Almanor, Mendocino, Berryessa etc...)
| Quote: | | Does anyone ever wakeboard at Clear Lake in Ca. Is it a good place to board? | Would you honestly say that with respect to the other lakes in the area that Clearlake is a good place to board?[/quote]
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justsomeguy Guest
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Posted: Jun 17, 2005 2:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Hockeyplayer wrote: | | I drive past the lake twice a week on 20. Usually Early in the morning (6-8AM) or in the evening and RARELY do i see nice water. |
The best water is usually on the other side of the lake, North of Konocti, off of the Buckingham area.
Clear lake is fine to board on mid-week, or early on the weekends, if you know where to find good water. Apparently you've never found that water, which explains your inaccurate, and absolute, comment about chop.
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Buergday Guest
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Posted: Jun 17, 2005 2:36 pm Post subject: |
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| I have to agree with Hockeyplayer on this one. Although Clear Lake is really nice sometimes, there always seems to be at least one reason to stay away - usually the fear of wiping out and getting a mouthfull of that gnarly pea soup water. The algae is so thick at times its amazing. I'd stick to Berryessa. It's very close to Clear Lake and not nearly as sketchy.
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Hockeyplayer Wakeboarder.Commie


Joined: 14 Aug 2003 Posts: 1473 City: San Diego/San Marcos
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Posted: Jun 17, 2005 2:49 pm Post subject: |
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No stuff Sherlock. If I had found Clear Lake's nice calm water I would not have made the previous two post about how terrible the water on the lake is.
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Apparently you've never found that water, which explains your inaccurate, and absolute, comment about chop
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I must say that this is an extremely profound statement.
Your right I do not have 15 years experience on the lake. My experience is limited to two days on the lake and countless others driving past it. On the contrary I am not blinded by a loyalty to the lake the area or 15 years of my life spent on the lake. I have however been on just about every lake in the area and (In my opinion) I can say with conviction that Clear lake is by far the worst lake in the area.
I'm not sure how much more I need to spell it out for you, hopefully larger font will help. (In my opinion)
I'm sure that clear lake, just like any lake has its nice spots and times. However, from what I have found, in relation to the many other lakes I have been on Clear Lake is not a Lake I would recommend to anyone.
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justsomeguy Guest
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Posted: Jun 17, 2005 3:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Hockeyplayer wrote: | | On the contrary I am not blinded by a loyalty to the lake the area or 15 years of my life spent on the lake. |
"Loyalty to a lake"? LOL. My, my you're quite the drama queen aren't you?
I merely corrected your highly inaccurate claim about the lake so that the original poster could make an informed decision.
It's nice to see that you've apparently come to your senses and changed "The lake is always pure chop" to "I'm sure that clear lake, just like any lake has its nice spots and times." That's progress! You should be proud!
Yes there are plenty of nice lakes in Norcal and many that I like much better than Clear Lake, depending upon the season and the day of the week. The fact remains that the original poster wasn't asking about the best lake in Norcal. He was asking about whether Clear Lake is a good place to board, not the best place to board. Not whether there is good food on the lake, etc.
p.s. You might want to get someone to explain the enormous difference between "15 years of my life spent on the lake" and "I've been going to Clear Lake for fifteen years and staying on the lake with friends." Good luck.
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scott a Ladies Man


Joined: 13 Jan 2003 Posts: 9810
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Posted: Jun 17, 2005 3:13 pm Post subject: |
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i dunno...if i asked if clear lake was good and someone replied by telling me to ride elsewhere i would be pretty thankful. then again im not the original poster, but neither are you justsomeguy, so i wouldnt think that you are any more right than anyone else here. its funny how someone else's "innacurate" opinion can be corrected by someone else's opinion.
my opinion: never been to clear lake, but my parents and brother have. they have nothing good to say about the place. there are other lakes nearby that are pretty damn sweet so i would personally ride elsewhere. that's my opinion and ive made it based on the multitude of bad things ive heard about the place. im not gonna say that youre wrong, justsomeguy, but youre the only person ive ever talked to that has had good things to say about clear lake.
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justsomeguy Guest
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Posted: Jun 17, 2005 3:25 pm Post subject: |
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| scott a wrote: | its funny how someone else's "innacurate" opinion can be corrected by someone else's opinion.
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Yeah, it's really funny, isn't it?
BTW, I wrote inaccurate claim, not inaccurate opinion. There's a big difference in meaning between the two.
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Hockeyplayer Wakeboarder.Commie


Joined: 14 Aug 2003 Posts: 1473 City: San Diego/San Marcos
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Posted: Jun 17, 2005 3:32 pm Post subject: Re: clear lake |
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| mathew wrote: | | Is it a good place to board? |
NO
| Quote: | | "Loyalty to a lake"? |
Yes, its similar to product, brand loyalty etc... The things a person uses on a daily basis or owns are generally perceived in a different light than a more objective observer will.
| Quote: | | highly inaccurate claim about the lake so that the original poster could make an informed decision. |
My claims are not highly inaccurate at all. So far, of the 4 people who have been on clear lake and have posted in this thread, you are the only one who recommends it. Your could also be considered the least objective of the 4 because of your history of the lake. Can you see any connections?
| Quote: | | p.s. You might want to get someone to explain the enormous difference between "15 years of my life spent on the lake" and "I've been going to Clear Lake for fifteen years and staying on the lake with friends." Good luck. |
Would you please explain the difference to me? I have been going to lake Oroville for the past 6 years. It could also be said that I have spent the last 6 years of my life on lake Oroville. Both are extremely subjective statements that rely heavily on a persons perception of time and the English Language.
| Quote: | | It's nice to see that you've apparently come to your senses and changed "The lake is always pure chop" to "I'm sure that clear lake, just like any lake has its nice spots and times." That's progress! You should be proud! |
No, I would still be saying that except for the fact that you have no concept of inclusive statements. If I say "man its always cold outside" do i mean its ALWAYS cold outside? No, I mean that it seems like its always cold or I'm in a very cold place. I'm not sure if you simply are nitpicking or you have a poor grasp on language but either way my statements about chop have not changed, just your perception of my comments.
I'm done arguing this. you have your opinion and I have mine if you feel the need to continue then please proceed.
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Hockeyplayer Wakeboarder.Commie


Joined: 14 Aug 2003 Posts: 1473 City: San Diego/San Marcos
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Posted: Jun 17, 2005 3:35 pm Post subject: |
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| justsomeguy wrote: | | scott a wrote: | its funny how someone else's "innacurate" opinion can be corrected by someone else's opinion.
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Yeah, it's really funny, isn't it?
BTW, I wrote inaccurate claim, not inaccurate opinion. There's a big difference in meaning between the two. |
No, there's not a big difference between the two. When someone makes a claim based on their personal opinion. What does that make it?
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justsomeguy Guest
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Posted: Jun 17, 2005 3:57 pm Post subject: Re: clear lake |
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| Hockeyplayer wrote: |
| Quote: | | "Loyalty to a lake"? |
Yes, its similar to product, brand loyalty etc... The things a person uses on a daily basis or owns are generally perceived in a different light than a more objective observer will. |
So, you're a more objective observer of Clear Lake conditions (always full of chop) because you've only been there twice and drive by it? Brilliant!
No, I don't have any loyalty to Clear Lake (hence the LOL above) and yes it's an incredibly silly assumption on your part.
| Quote: | | highly inaccurate claim about the lake so that the original poster could make an informed decision. |
| Hockeyplayer wrote: | | My claims are not highly inaccurate at all. |
"the lake is always pure chop" in incredibly inaccurate.
| Hockeyplayer wrote: | | Would you please explain the difference to me? I have been going to lake Oroville for the past 6 years. It could also be said that I have spent the last 6 years of my life on lake Oroville. |
Sure thing. I have been going to Tahoe for the last 25 years to ski. I wouldn't say that I've spent the last 25 years of my life in Tahoe.
| Hockeyplayer wrote: | | I'm not sure if you simply are nitpicking or you have a poor grasp on language but either way my statements about chop have not changed, just your perception of my comments. |
Wow, serious PKB syndrome!
If you don't want people to take you at your word, perhaps you should choose different words the first time around (like..."I'm sure that clear lake, just like any lake has its nice spots and times"). Just a suggestion.
| Hockeyplayer wrote: | | No, there's not a big difference between the two. |
Here, let me help:
claim- A statement of something as a fact; an assertion of truth:
opinion- A belief or conclusion held with confidence but not substantiated by positive knowledge or proof
That's just a start. The rest is up to you. Good luck!
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Buergday Guest
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Posted: Jun 17, 2005 4:33 pm Post subject: |
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fight, fight!
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Hockeyplayer Wakeboarder.Commie


Joined: 14 Aug 2003 Posts: 1473 City: San Diego/San Marcos
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Posted: Jun 17, 2005 4:46 pm Post subject: |
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justsomeguy, congratulations, you own a dictionary.
If someone presents something as fact does that make it fact? No, I made a claim that Clearlake is always choppy. My statement was clearly a claim (per your dictionary.com definition it meets all the criteria for a claim) as to the condition of clearlakes water but in your opinion was not accurate or factual. If you believe that my statement was not accurate as to fact then wouldn't that make it an opinion? In this scenario both words are synonymous with each other.
[>begin mandatory cheapshot>] I take it your a Ukiah High graduate?[>end mandatory cheapshot>]
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Hockeyplayer Wakeboarder.Commie


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Posted: Jun 17, 2005 4:48 pm Post subject: |
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Buergday, yeah, this reminds me of the phrase about arguing over the internet and being retarded regardless of the outcome of the discusion.
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prior40 Addict


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Posted: Jun 17, 2005 5:21 pm Post subject: |
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| I've been going to Clear Lake my entire life. If you are driving by on 20 you are seeing the worst part of the lake. Wide open, always gets choppy by 3pm. Yes, the algea is gross, but it isn't there until early-mid August. The weeds start growing towards the end of June. During the week on the Lakeport side you can always find good water. There are also some great places to eat in Lakeport, TNT's, Park Place and a few others. Early morning water and late evening eater is probably the best it gets. Yes, there are some white trash areas. Go to Buckingham though and you're in the middle of money. Just need to know the areas to frequent. But the areas on or near HWY 20 are absolutely horrible. Yes, I am partial to the lake seeing how I have been going there for the last 24 years, but there is better and there is worse for various reasons. Hope this helps you out a little bit more.
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kid Outlaw


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Posted: Jun 17, 2005 6:43 pm Post subject: |
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if you go to the lake your going to be "loyal" to it your not gunna bash on your own things, you work with what you got. I ski on oroville and thats near Oroville the city and well enough said about that...but I heard it wasn't that pretty but then again if the waters good im not gunna stick my foot in and say "nah man, it looks like vomit i aint touchin it" if the waters good, the waters good. you board on it! i havent heard a lot of bad things about oroville but if someone went there twice and tried to tell someone differently about it i would stick up for it because i know the spots to go and when. Since ive never been there id talk to the people that have been going for a while....
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justsomeguy Guest
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Posted: Jun 17, 2005 9:06 pm Post subject: |
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| Hockeyplayer wrote: | | [>begin mandatory cheapshot>] I take it your(sic) a Ukiah High graduate?[>end mandatory cheapshot>] |
Ah, the irony meter just got pegged.
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kdawg Outlaw

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Posted: Jun 17, 2005 9:43 pm Post subject: |
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lets get ready to ruuuuuuuummmmmmmmbbbbllllleeeeeeee
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