HELP: Pro-Americans!

Nor*Cal · Ladies Man Joined: 12 Jan 2003 Posts: 9479 City: Sac

John- Remember that weapon inspectors had been kicked out of the country before. We have tried that route. The inspectors were heavily restricted on the areas they could go and also had to give 24 hour notice before arriving at any given site. 12 years is a long time and diplomatic efforts were tried. Clinton even made statements about the issues in Iraq.

jedsterr · Soul Rider Joined: 13 Jan 2003 Posts: 291 City: Star Idaho

Most of the information I am about to list I learned from a History Channel documentary called "Sadam's Arsenal". Prior to viewing that program I was patriotically supporting the leaders of my country in this action because they said it was necessary. I now personally am pro regime change in Iraq.

The following key points from the program that logically and emotionally swayed me from ambivalence toward the war to support of the war.

Iraqi documents seized by UN inspectors in 1998 detail the production of an enormous quantity of Anthrax and Botulism Toxin. I do not recall the exact number of gallons they claimed to have but the narrator of the program explained that there was enough of the two BioToxins to kill the entire population of the whole world three times over. Iraq has not accounted for these thousands of liters of poisons.

In 1995 Sadam’s own son’s defect and tell us about one plant that is manufacturing germ warfare agents. UN inspectors find and destroy this plant along with tons of Anthrax and other bio toxins.

I consider that quantity of a Bio-Toxin a weapon of mass destruction.

Lots of countries have far greater arsenals of WMD than those that we suspect Iraq of having. What’s the big deal, right???

The difference is that the other countries are sufficiently deterred by the concept of mutually assured destruction that I am confident that they will not unleash their WMD.

Not so, with Sadam Husein. He has used nerve agents and bio-toxins on his own people and on the Curds who occupy the north of Iraq. The History Channel program showed video of whole families lying dead in the street. Dead mothers clutching their dead children close to their bodies. Scores of dead children in their schools. People are still suffering from the attack. Enormous tumors grow randomly on otherwise healthy people. Birth defected infants are more common than healthy newborns. Sadam is a madman for the use of this type of weapon on anyone, let alone the civilian population of his own country. Sadam demonstrated his willingness to use these WMD and would likely sell them to terrorist organizations if the price were right.

He has them. He will use them. It is probable that he would distribute them.

I am 100% in favor of this military action. In fact, after reading the information at http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/longroad/etc/cron.html I am 110% in favor of this military action.

-Jed

impulse · Addict Joined: 13 Jan 2003 Posts: 807 City: Snyder,TX

Im with Seth on this one.

Proud to be American

cpowell21 · Posted: Mar 27, 2003 8:29 am Post subject:

The point where anti-war becomes anti-american is when men and women are dying for you and your country and all you have to say is screw bush and screw the war. Whether you are in favor of the war or not you should have the utmost respect for those who lose their lives defending your wakeboarding, your way of life, and your freedom. It was ok to protest the war before it started and in some minor way it is ok now but you have to think about the people over there dying for you. They are trying their best to follow orders and help save your life and to protest someone dying for you is absolutely disrespectful.

B-rad · Posted: Mar 27, 2003 8:46 am Post subject:

HOOAH... Support your troops, support the rights they are fighting for and try to realize that no matter how much of the "facts" you think you know about the wrong things bush is doing.... You have no idea. Go Bush, Go America and to all my brothers from the 173 AR, 75th Rng Rgt, 1-41 inf, and everyone else there I support all of your actions.

Shawn Madison · Posted: Mar 27, 2003 8:57 am Post subject:

B-rad, I second that!

*Neat Signature!

Nor*Cal · Ladies Man Joined: 12 Jan 2003 Posts: 9479 City: Sac

B-Rad I think I put that signature in the post about the Dixie chicks. Brad Pitt has my respect....

noneya · Addict Joined: 13 Jan 2003 Posts: 796 City: Roxboro, NC

So if you dont agree with the war what are you supposed to do, just your saying you dont like the war doesnt mean you are going to join up for Saddam or that you support him. It is actually un-american not to voice your opinion. The whole american system of checks and balances is based on the people expressing their opinions. Since when did we have to start blindly agreeing with everything Bush has to say...HEIL Bush !! I am against the war because of the hypocritacal nature of it, we preach about democracy until it doesnt work for us. We should have worked with the UN not just decided to ignore it when they wouldnt do what we wanted. The whole thing that started all this was that Iraq invaded another country without a UN mandate , we are now doing the exact same thing. But you say were America, we know were right!! That is what is turning us into the worlds bully, we feel we can ignore the rest of the world and do what ever we want. There is no way that expressing my dis-approval for this is hurting the troops. One final ironic point, most of the people in the US didnt even vote for Bush, just think if we heard that in another country their leader had been elected with a non-majority vote, we'd be cutting off aid and talking about how un-democratic they are. I'm over that whole debaucle but it just goes to show how hypocritical americans are

jedsterr · Soul Rider Joined: 13 Jan 2003 Posts: 291 City: Star Idaho

noneya, I support your right to protest. and too express your dis-approval. Please do so in a lawful manor.

My personal view of the UN is that it is a lame-duck. It is idealistically noble, but it is a political organization that apparently cannot distinguish between talk and action. If we say over and over and over again that Iraq must disarm, than they must be disarming. They are process oriented, not objective oriented. I beleive that we are correct to be side stepping the UN and (ironicly) enforsing it's resolutions against it's will.

RE: the election of Bush. Gore didn't get the majority of the votes either. Infact, in most foreign elections there are multiple candidates so their leaders actually WERE elected by a non-majority.

noneya, I support your rights, though I passionately dissagree with your position.

-Jed

James K. · Posted: Mar 27, 2003 11:53 am Post subject:

then todd lets here your oh so smart point on what this war is really about, and dont say oil because that is crap

JELLO- look at what is says before that, it says that, that is what would happen if we waited.

noneya · Addict Joined: 13 Jan 2003 Posts: 796 City: Roxboro, NC

I didnt say Gore got a majority of the votes i just said Bush didnt get a majority,, but it is a fact that he got more of the popular vote than Bush. I also object to the implication that I have been or will be protesting illegally, I personally wont goto a protest or write my representative for fear of getting stuck on some terrorism suspect list.

bamawake · Newbie Joined: 27 Mar 2003 Posts: 22 City: Birmingham

Go USA and Go Pres. Bush

I love Bush Very Happy

bamawake · Newbie Joined: 27 Mar 2003 Posts: 22 City: Birmingham

Just think if Al Gore was president. What a nighmare. We would be speaking *#$#@$#%$#. Gore has no backbone or balls. O ya and no morals like his cousin Bill Clinton Gore. Shocked

Thank God for Bush

bamawake · Newbie Joined: 27 Mar 2003 Posts: 22 City: Birmingham

Young Americans will die in battle . . . Would you prefer they die in skyscrapers?

The United States is taking unilateral action against Iraq! So far, it's a 90-member worldwide "unilateral" coalition.

We are in a rush to war . . . A 12-year rush?

Tough inspections can disarm Saddam Hussein without invading Iraq . . . 12 years of inspections have done wonders so far.

We should let the inspectors finish their job . . . We did. They didn't. We will.

Why fight? The Iraqi military is weaker than in 1991 . . . But their biological weapons and chemical weapons are much more dangerous.

There's no proof of weapons of mass destruction . . . We know they have 'em, we know they hide 'em, and we have tape recordings and photographs. What more is needed? An Iraqi rocket in Martin Sheen's shorts?

If we invade, Saddam Hussein might use those weapons of mass destruction against us . . . I thought you said Iraq didn't have them?

But terrorists might attack if we invade Iraq . . . Oh, so if we don't attack Iraq, terrorists will never strike again?

We shouldn't go to war without a UN resolution . . . ANOTHER resolution? What about the last 18 resolutions? Shall we use them as wallpaper? Or shall we use the same resolutions Bill Clinton used in Bosnia? (he didn't go to the UN on Bosnia)

We don't have a real declaration for war . . . Yes we do. It's called "Joint Congressional Resolution #1441."

We are giving 20 billion dollars to Turkey. We could use that money at home. OK, we'll use that money to strengthen our Iraqi border with Wyoming.

If North Korea has nuclear weapons, why aren't we invading them first? Uh . . . hello . . . isn't that the point?

European leaders are against the war . . . The Reichstag wasn't attacked. The Grande Place wasn't attacked. The Kremlin wasn't attacked. And the Jerry Lewis Lifetime Achievement Museum wasn't attacked. America was attacked. And besides, except for the tantrums of France, Belgium and Germany, only three European nations aren't willing to defend freedom. The entire rest of Europe is with America.

The French don't support the war . . . Oh, did they surrender already?

Germany objects to this war . . . Germany objected to Reagan's "attitude" towards the Soviet Union. Of course, they objected to our presence in 1943 as well.

Belgians are against the war . . . I can live without waffles and ice cream.

Russia doesn't support the war . . . They are still angry over Reagan's brilliant Cold War victory.

Polls show Europeans are against this war . . . Polls show Europeans believe their freedom was achieved by endlessly debating in marvelous dining halls, conveniently forgetting their right to be pompous blowhards was granted with American blood, not fabulous wine and brie.

We should build a coalition with our friends . . . With friends like these, who needs enemies?

What happens if we can't build a United Nations coalition? Who cares?

But the UN is the world's most respected governing body . . . Not as respected as the US military.

America has always waited until enemies attacked . . . Now that oceans can't hold back enemies, pre-emptive war is forever a necessity.

War will cost billions! So how much is YOUR city worth?

President Bush says he's willing to violate the 1976 executive order forbidding assassinations of foreign leaders. As soon as the ink is dry on rescinding that idiotic order, will someone please pull the trigger? The line forms to the right.

Many Senators don't support Bush . . . Are you speaking of the Senators from Bordeaux?

Tom Daschle says George Bush has a "credibility gap". When was the last time we came to Tom Daschle for the truth???

These problems didn't happen under Clinton . . . Actually, they happened. But Clinton ignored them. Now, Bush will clean up his mess.

But Clinton didn't start a war . . . Unless his girlfriend was testifying before congress.

Bush senior should have taken out Hussein in '91. That 1991 UN resolution forbade a march on Baghdad. Remember?

Millions of peace activists are demanding we stop the war . . . Millions of Iraqi's are begging for us to start the war.

Thousands of innocents will be killed or injured . . . That's a lot less than Hussein is killing right now.

Protesters have genuine objections to war . . . Just like they did in WWII? Korea? Vietnam? Panama? The Gulf War? Somalia? Haiti? Bosnia? Afghanistan?

People are coming from all over the world to act as "human shields". Quick . . . hurry up . . . before the bombs start dropping.

This is about American Imperialism . . . So which country do we own? Name our colonies? What nation sends us their tax dollars? If America was imperialist, we'd already own the entire world. Who could stand in our way?

This is Blood for Oil . . . The only blood is the Iraqi people tortured, starved and killed while
Hussein builds massive palaces to hide nuclear weapons . . . all financed with Iraqi oil.

This is a racist war . . . America happily endorses a multi-cultural attitude towards anyone who dares to take away our freedom. Regardless of race, color, or creed; we will hunt them down and kill them.

A U.S.-led invasion of Iraq is a great recruiting tool for terrorists . . . Have fun recruiting people into oppressive misery as they enjoy their first taste of freedom.

An attack on Iraq could seriously undermine and destabilize Arab nations . . . Destabilize the region? What stability? The sooner we topple these oppressive 14th century terrorist regimes the better.

Are we prepared for a multi-billion dollar occupation? Were we prepared to liberate Europe and Japan in 1945? South Korea in 1953? Grenada? El Salvador? Kuwait? The Eastern Bloc? Afghanistan? Nations always love Americans when we rescue them from tyranny. The price of freedom is never free.

Polls show Americans are more concerned about the threat from al Qaeda than from Iraq . . . It's not a war against Al Qaeda. It's not a war against Iraq. It's a war against terrorism. Anywhere we find it. One nation at a time.

American opinion is against the war . . . No, it's not. A majority of Americans want to fight now, not later

noneya · Addict Joined: 13 Jan 2003 Posts: 796 City: Roxboro, NC

Al Queda attacked us not Iraq. The only terrorism that has been linked to Iraq was a failed attempt to assasinate Bush Sr, serious yes, effective no, past history. Bin Laden funded a failed attempt to overthrow Saddam back in the late 80's or early 90's...Why becasue Iraq is a secular government and not muslim. Add to that the tensions between Shiites and Sunnis. I FULLY supported the war in Afghanistan but not this one. Finally if the Iraqis really do have all these WOMD why arent they using them? Where are they? Were nearly to Baghdad and havent found krap!

noneya · Addict Joined: 13 Jan 2003 Posts: 796 City: Roxboro, NC

One more: I know people dont like celebrities saying stuff unless its pro-war but here is Terrry Jones (Monty Python)

I'm losing patience with my neighbours, Mr Bush

I'm really excited by George Bush's latest reason for bombing Iraq: he's running out of patience. And so am I! For some time now I've been really pissed off with Mr Johnson, who lives a couple of doors down the street. Well, him and Mr Patel, who runs the health food shop. They both give me queer looks, and I'm sure Mr Johnson is planning something nasty for me, but so far I haven't been able to discover what. I've been round to his place a few times to see what he's up to, but he's got everything well hidden. That's how devious he is.

As for Mr Patel, don't ask me how I know, I just know - from very good sources - that he is, in reality, a Mass Murderer. I have leafleted the street telling them that if we don't act first, he'll pick us off one by one.

Some of my neighbours say, if I've got proof, why don't I go to the police? But that's simply ridiculous. The police will say that they need evidence of a crime with which to charge my neighbours . . .

Complete article:

http://www.observer.co.uk/comment/story/0,6903,882459,00.html

Leggester · Posted: Mar 27, 2003 2:40 pm Post subject:

Haven't been following the news much noneya.

Al-Queda camps have been found in NW Iraq.

Wonder why Syria is nervous?

Who's next, Syria, Iran, N Korea?

Nor*Cal · Ladies Man Joined: 12 Jan 2003 Posts: 9479 City: Sac

Noneya- It is obvious you have not read this post fully or any of the other post on this war. We have covered the state religion of Islam and the terrorist connections.

Jello John · Wakeboarder.Commie Joined: 12 Jan 2003 Posts: 1936

Leggester · Posted: Mar 28, 2003 7:59 am Post subject:

We create more hatred for America? They won't hate us any more than they do now.

Well, so be it.

The world wants us to to take care of is problems. Feed the poor, bail out financially decrepit countries, save the rain forests, save the whales, save the Antartic ice cap... ...

We want to eliminate threats to is and to our friends in the world.

Well, they cannot have it both ways. No, I'm not a war monger. If countries are going to house and condone terrorists, we have stated we will not stand for it.

I doubt Iraq will be the end of the war against terrorism. That's all. Sad