Who's Smarter (some anti-war celebrity info)

[RichD]

Just some interesting info.

Thought you guys/gals would like to see. (This is pretty lengthy)

Who's Smarter?
by Cindy Osborne

The Hollywood group is at it again. Holding anti-war
rallies, screaming about the Bush Administration,
running ads in major newspapers, defaming the
President and his Cabinet every chance they get, to
anyone and everyone who will listen.

They publicly defile them and call them names like
"stupid," "morons," and
"idiots." Jessica Lange went so far as to tell a crowd
in Spain that she hates President Bush and is
embarrassed to be an American.

So, just how ignorant are these people who are running
the country? Let's look at the biographies of these
"stupid," "ignorant," "moronic" leaders, and then at
the celebrities who are castigating them:

President George W. Bush:
Received a Bachelors Degree from Yale University and
an MBA from Harvard Business School. He served as an
F-102 pilot for the Texas Air National Guard.
He began his career in the oil and gas business in
Midland in 1975 and worked in the energy industry
until 1986. He was elected Governor on November 8,
1994, with 53.5 percent of the vote. In a historic
re-election victory, he became the first Texas
Governor to be elected to consecutive four-year terms
on November 3, 1998 winning 68.6 percent of the vote.
In 1998 Governor Bush won 49 percent of the Hispanic
vote, 27 percent of the African-American vote, 27
percent of Democrats and 65 percent of women. He won
more Texas counties, 240 of 254, than
any modern Republican other than Richard Nixon in 1972
and is the first
Republican gubernatorial candidate to win the heavily
Hispanic and Democratic order counties of El Paso,
Cameron and Hidalgo. (Someone began circulating a
false story about his I.Q. being lower than any other
President. If you believed it, you might want to go to
RBANLEGENDS.COM and see the truth.)

Vice President friend Cheney:
Earned a B.A. in 1965 and a M.A. in 1966, both in
political science. Two
years later, he won an American Political Science
Association congressional fellowship. One of Vice
President Cheney's primary duties is to share with
individuals, members of Congress and foreign leaders,
President Bush's vision to strengthen our economy,
secure our homeland and win the War on Terrorism. In
his official role as President of the Senate, Vice
President Cheney regularly goes to Capital Hill to
meet with Senators and members of the House of
Representatives to work on the Administration's
legislative goals. In his travels as Vice President,
he has seen first hand the great demands the war on
terrorism is placing on the men and women of our
military, and he is proud of the tremendous job they
are doing for the United States of America.

Secretary of State Colin Powell:
Educated in the New York City public schools,
graduating from the City College of New York (CCNY),
where he earned a Bachelor's Degree in geology. He
also participated in ROTC at CCNY and received a
commission as an Army second lieutenant upon
graduation in June 1958. His further academic
achievements include a Master of Business
Administration Degree from George Washington
University. Secretary Powell is the recipient of
numerous U.S. and foreign military awards and
decorations. Secretary Powell's civilian awards
include two Presidential Medals of Freedom, the
President's Citizens Medal, the Congressional Gold
Medal, the Secretary of State Distinguished Service
Medal, and the Secretary of Energy Distinguished
Service Medal. Several schools and other institutions
have been named in his honor and he holds honorary
degrees
from universities and colleges across the country.
(Note: He retired as Four Star General in the United
States Army)

Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld:
Attended Princeton University on Scholarship (AB,
1954) and served in the U.S. Navy (1954-57) as a Naval
aviator; Congressional Assistant to Rep. Robert
Griffin (R-MI), 1957-59; U.S. Representative,
Illinois, 1962-69; Assistant to the President,
Director of the Office of Economic Opportunity,
Director of the Cost of Living Council, 1969-74; U.S.
Ambassador to NATO, 1973-74; head of Presidential
Transition Team, 1974; Assistant to the President,
Director of White House Office of Operations, White
House Chief of Staff, 1974-77; Secretary of Defense,
1975-77.

Secretary of Homeland Security Tom Ridge:
Raised in a working class family in veterans' public
housing in Erie. He earned a scholarship to Harvard,
graduating with honors in 1967. After his first year
at The friend School of Law, he was drafted into the
U.S. Army, where he served as an infantry staff
sergeant in Vietnam, earning the Bronze Star for
Valor. After returning to Pennsylvania, he earned his
Law Degree and was in private practice before becoming
Assistant District Attorney in Erie County. He was
elected to Congress in 1982. He was the first enlisted
Vietnam combat veteran elected to the U.S. House, and
was overwhelmingly re-elected six times.

National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice:
Earned her Bachelor's Degree in Political Science, Cum
Laude and Phi Beta Kappa, from the University of
Denver in 1974; her Master's from the University of
Notre Dame in 1975; and her Ph.D. from the Graduate
School of International Studies at the University of
Denver in 1981. (Note: Rice enrolled at the University
of Denver at the age of 15, graduating at 19 with a
Bachelor's Degree in Political Science (Cum Laude).
She earned a Master's Degree at the University of
Notre Dame and a Doctorate from the University of
Denver's Graduate School of International Studies.
Both of her advanced degrees are also in Political
Science.) She is a Fellow of the American Academy of
Arts and Sciences and has been awarded Honorary
Doctorates from Morehouse College in 1991, the
University
of Alabama in 1994, and the University of Notre Dame
in 1995. At Stanford, she has been a member of the
Center for International Security and Arms Control, a
Senior Fellow of the Institute for International
Studies, and a Fellow (by courtesy) of the Hoover
Institution. Her books include Germany Unified and
Europe Transformed (1995) with Philip Zelikow, The
Gorbachev Era (1986) with Alexander Dallin, and
Uncertain Allegiance: The Soviet Union and the
Czechoslovak Army (1984). She also has written
numerous articles on Soviet and East European foreign
and defense policy, and has addressed audiences in
settings ranging from the U.S. Ambassador's Residence
in Moscow to the Commonwealth Club to the 1992 and
2000 Republican National Conventions. From 1989
through March 1991, the period of German reunification
and the final days
of the Soviet Union, she served in the Bush
Administration as Director, and then Senior Director,
of Soviet and East European Affairs in the National
Security Council, and a Special Assistant to the
President for National Security Affairs.
In 1986, while an international affairs fellow of the
Council on Foreign
Relations, she served as Special Assistant to the
Director of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. In 1997, she
served on the Federal Advisory Committee on Gender -
Integrated Training in the Military. She was a member
of the boards of directors for the Chevron
Corporation, the Charles Schwab Corporation, the
William and Flora Hewlett Foundation, the University
of Notre Dame, the International Advisory Council of
J.P. Morgan and the San Francisco Symphony Board of
Governors. She was a Founding Board member of the
Center for a New Generation, an educational support
fund for schools in East Palo Alto and East Menlo
Park, California and was Vice President of the Boys
and Girls Club of the Peninsula. In addition, her past
board service has encompassed such organizations as
Transamerica Corporation, Hewlett Packard, the
Carnegie Corporation, Carnegie Endowment for
International Peace, The Rand Corporation,
the National Council for Soviet and East European
Studies, the Mid-Peninsula Urban Coalition and KQED,
public broadcasting for San Francisco. Born November
14, 1954 in Birmingham, Alabama, she resides in
Washington, D.C.

So who are these celebrities? What is their education?
What is their
experience in affairs of State or in National
Security? While I will defend to the death their right
to express their opinions, I think that if they are
going to call into question the intelligence of our
leaders, we should also have all the facts on their
educations and background:

Barbra Streisand : Completed high school
Career: Singing and acting

Cher: Dropped out of school in 9th grade.
Career: Singing and acting

Martin Sheen: Flunked exam to enter University of
Dayton.
Career: Acting

Jessica Lange: Dropped out college mid-freshman year.
Career: Acting

Alec Baldwin: Dropped out of George Washington U.
after scandal.
Career: Acting

Julia Roberts: Completed high school.
Career: Acting

Sean Penn: Completed High school.
Career: Acting

Susan Sarandon: Degree in Drama from Catholic
University of America in
Washington, D.C.
Career: Acting

Ed Asner; Completed High school.
Career: Acting

George Clooney: Dropped out of University of Kentucky.

Career: Acting

Michael Moore: Dropped out first year University of
Michigan.
Career:Movie Director

Sarah Jessica Parker: Completed High School.
Career: Acting

Jennifer Anniston: Completed High School.
Career: Acting

Mike Farrell: Completed High school.
Career: Acting

Janeane Garofelo: Dropped out of College.
Career: Stand up comedienne

Larry Hagman: Attended Bard College for one year.
Career: Acting

While comparing the education and experience of these
two groups, we should also remember that President
Bush and his cabinet are briefed daily, even hourly,
on the War on Terror and threats to our security. They
are privy to information gathered around the world
concerning the Middle East, the threats to America,
the intentions of terrorists and terrorist-supporting
governments. They are in constant communication with
the CIA, the FBI, Interpol, NATO, The United Nations,
our own military, and that of our allies around the
world. We cannot simply believe that we have full
knowledge of the threats because we watch CNN!!

We cannot believe that we are in any way as informed
as our leaders.
These celebrities have no intelligence-gathering
agents, no fact-finding groups, no insight into the
minds of those who would destroy our country. They
only have a deep seated hatred for all things
Republican. By nature, and no one knows quite why, the
Hollywood elitists detest Conservative views and
anything that supports or uplifts the United States of
America.

[Bill Y Bob]

dude, get a life

[criminally_minded]

Yep, because your school grades obviously mean everything. I mean, if your an actor/actress, and you leave college to pursue your dream (and made it), then obviously you must be stupid!

It's not like Einstein struggled in school, received low grades and had his teachers call him 'below average'.... oh, hang on, that is exactly what happen.

Rich: I'm not having a go at you here, just the person who wrote this completely bias article.

For example: 'Sarah Jessica Parker - Completed high school, Acting career.'

Wow, it is so obvious from this statement that she must be a moron, I mean, she only completed high school? Gee how stupid must she be.

I'm not saying she is or isn't smart, average or stupid, but that statement is a misrepresented half truth. A fact taken completely out of context to support a weak argument. So what this writer is saying is that anyone who doesn't go to college is automatically less intelligent than someone who does? What a snobbish outlook on life.

[Andy]

Yeah man I totally agree with what your saying. Its like all of the celebraties are asking for peace but peace at what cost. Sure we try to resolve things peacefully but that doesnt always work out. And all of the librals are so concerned about the lives of the people in Iraq but at the same time they have no problem with abortions. It doesnt make any sense. They really have no idea what is going on.

[criminally_minded]

[Andy]

Criminally Minded what is so wierd about this whole thing is that the actors and actresses are saying Bush is dumb.Therefore they are saying somone who went to collage is stupid. But Bush isnt making fun of them and they only went to highschool.

[criminally_minded]

Andy: I don't wish to comment on Bush's intelligence, nor do I want to comment on the actors/actress' brainpower, nor do I think actors/actress' should have either more or less right to free speach as anyone else.

My remarks were about the pure laziness of the article. The spin doctoring of facts to fit an agenda, and the absoluty meaninglessness of trying to deduce ones intelligence by reducing their educational and career backgrounds to a 2 line summation!

[Nor*Cal]

You have to admit having a High School grad making critical comments about a man who graduated from Yale and Harvard is ironic?

People forget how highly educated our elected officials are and yet celebrities with nothing more than common knowledge in the subject matter are given by the mass media an stronger voice in the matter. Actors are entitled to the Free Speech as anyone else is but they only make themselves sound idiotic by commenting on political issues.

[Nor*Cal]

You are right though one line summaries are unfair unless it goes both ways... I've taken a few seconds to cut down the summaries. Now compare the 2 groups side by side and ask yourself who might know more about international relations, politics, critical thinking, history, math, english, and pretty much every learned skill that higher education provides you.

George W. Bush: BA Yale, MBA Harvard
Job: President of the United States

Dick Cheney: BA and Masters in Poli Sci
Job: Vice President of the United States

Colin Powell: MBA George Washington University
Job: Secretary of State

Donald Rumsfeld: BA Princeton
Job: Secretary of Defense

Condoleezza Rice: BA U of Denver, Masters Notre Dame, and PHD U of Denver
Job: National Security Advisor

Tom Ridge: BA Harvard and Law Degree
Job: Secretary of Homeland Security

[criminally_minded]

Nor*Cal: I absolutly agree with you, celebritys opinions are given undeserved weight simply because of their positions, and they do often abuse that privlige (but that doesn't mean they shouldn't voice their opinions if they wish to).

I also agree that those in positions of power (government and military) do know more about the important facts of this war (although knowledge and intelligence are two different things...)

My comments were directed towards the way this peice was written, not really the cause its supports. My position on Iraq doesn't really come into play here, just my position on fair commentry.

Cheers - (and till next we meet )