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ajjdrew-55 · Newbie Joined: 03 Mar 2003 Posts: 7 City: Clinton Twp. MI

I am in the process of buying a 2003 SAN and want to get XM radio in the boat . The problem is that in the san the radio is in the glove box and you get wired remote controls buy the driver and in my case on the transom.
I need to find a clarion xm radio that is avalible with these remotes or something similar? Does any know anything about this or have this same problem? Also does anyone Know if XM is worth it or how it works, ijust thought it would be better than a radio for signal on the water.

rvs9 · Newbie Joined: 29 Jan 2003 Posts: 28 City: Chattanooga, TN

I HAVE A '03 X-30. HAD THE CLARION RADIO WITH CD CHANGER PUT IN. NOT SURE OF THE MODEL. HAD THE DEALER CHECK WITH A LOCAL RADIO SHOP AND THEY ADDED THE CLARION SATELLITE RECEIVER BELOW THE RADIO. NOT SURE IF IT CONNECTS DIRECTLY TO THE RADIO OR THROUGH GM MODULATOR. ALSO HAD HIM SEARCH FOR THE BEST XM ANTENNA. HE FOUND ONE THAT LOOKS LIKE THE RADAR OFF AN AWAC MILITARY PLANE (SHAPED LIKE A SAUCER). IT IS SPECIFICALLY MADE FOR MARINE USE. WILL NOT LOSE THE SIGNAL WHEN ON THE WATER. HAVING A CUSTOM MOUNT MADE FOR MY TOWER TO HOLD THE ANTENNA (DIDN'T WANT TO MOUNT IT TO MY DASH). WILL POST PICTURES WHEN ITS DONE.

rvs9 · Newbie Joined: 29 Jan 2003 Posts: 28 City: Chattanooga, TN

SATELLITE RADIO IS DIGITAL. SIGNAL IS TRANSMITTED DOWN FROM SATELLITE. BEING DIGITAL MEANS BETTER SOUND. TWO PROBLEMS - 1) IF YOU USE AN FM MODULATOR, YOU CONVERT THE DIGITAL SIGNAL BACK TO NON-DIGITAL AND DEFEAT THE PURPOSE OF HAVING SATELLITE RADIO. GETTING A RECEIVER TO HOOK DIRECTLY TO THE RADIO DOES NOT GIVE YOU THIS PROBLEM. 2) A CAR ACTS LIKE A BIG ANTENNA TO RECEIVE THE SIGNAL WITH ALL OF ITS METAL. BEING MOSTLY FIBERGLASS, A BOAT DOES NOT RECEIVE SIGNAL QUITE AS WELL. THAT IS WHY I GOT THE NEW ANTENNA MADE ESPECIALLY FOR MARINE EQUIPMENT. MAIN BENEFIT (TO ME) IS THAT I CAN SELECT ANY TYPE OF MUSIC THAT I WANT TO OUT ON THE LAKE (BY STATION) AND LISTEN WITHOUT COMMERCIALS AND CRAP. IF I FEEL LIKE FLOATING TO COUNTRY OR JAZZ, THEN I JUST FIND ONE OF THOSE STATIONS. GOT MY KIDS ON THE BOAT, THEN JUST TUNE TO TOON DISNEY. FOR $10 BUCKS A MONTH, IT IS WORTH IT.

ajjdrew-55 · Newbie Joined: 03 Mar 2003 Posts: 7 City: Clinton Twp. MI

Thanks,

But does the XM add on receiver work with the remote touch pad controls?

rvs9 · Newbie Joined: 29 Jan 2003 Posts: 28 City: Chattanooga, TN

HERE IS A PICTURE OF THE SATELLITE (OUT OF OVERTON'S)

rvs9 · Newbie Joined: 29 Jan 2003 Posts: 28 City: Chattanooga, TN

MY XM RECEIVER IS MOUNTED RIGHT BELOW THE CD PLAYER NEXT TO THE STEERING WHEEL. I DON'T NEED A TOUVHPAD. I DO HAVE A TRANSOM REMOTE IN THE REAR BUT IT ONLY CONTROLS RADIO AND CD FUNCTIONS. I WOULD THINK THAT YOU COULD FIND A RECEIVER WITH REMOTE CAPABILITIES. WORST CASE, YOU MAY HAVE TO BY A NEW UNIT WITH BUILT IN XM.

rvs9 · Newbie Joined: 29 Jan 2003 Posts: 28 City: Chattanooga, TN

LINK TO INFO ON XM/SIRIUS: http://www.clarion.com/siriusmain.htm

CHECK OUT CLARIONS WEBSITE TOO. THE OFFER ALOT OF MODELS THAT ARE SATELLITE READY. LINK BELOW SHOULD HELP.

http://www.clarion.com/proaudio/proaudiofm.htm

IF YOU KNOW YOUR MODEL OF RADIO, GIVE THEM A CALL AND THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO SET YOU UP.

ajjdrew-55 · Newbie Joined: 03 Mar 2003 Posts: 7 City: Clinton Twp. MI

Thank you

That link you gave me has the exact radio I need.
http://www.clarion.com/marine/marinefm.htm
this will work perfect it has the wired controls and it is even a marine specific radio

KG · Outlaw Joined: 19 Jan 2003 Posts: 151 City: Cali

The sirius looks like a better deal than xm. On sirius you get no commercials and you can shut it off in the monthes your not using your boat and get it started again for 14 bucks. I've looked into this because I was thinking about putting one in my new boat.

Cyclonecj · Soul Rider Joined: 12 Jan 2003 Posts: 338 City: Atlanta

That Sirius antenna won't work with XM. The parts are not interchangeable. Sirius radio has about 1/3 the subscribers, is more expensive, and has big time money problems. I have XM, you don't need anything other than the stock antenna, I have an automotive one sitting on the windowsill at home, works fine. The auto ones work fine on the boat too. Terk does make an XM marine antenna, it looks a hell of a lot better than that one in Overtons!

http://www.crutchfield.com/S-qCDFZHi3wTs/cgi-bin/ProdView.asp?I=209XM5

dizzyj · Soul Rider Joined: 18 Feb 2003 Posts: 485 City: Austin, Tx

one idea (that im doing) is instead of satilite radio, get a cd/mp3 player. Burn a couple discs full of mp3's and you got a seasons worth of music to listen to.

porter · Outlaw Joined: 23 Jan 2003 Posts: 109 City: Sammamish

I don't know if you would be interested in this, but Sony makes the marine wired remotes as well. I just bought a Sony-MP80 that does XM, plays MP3s and absolutely will not skip even if you drop the unit from three feet up. The remotes are pretty cool too. They have LCD displays on them.

Sony MP80:
http://www.crutchfield.com/S-ZHXk4A29zJT/cgi-bin/ProdView.asp?i=158CDXMP80

Sony Marine Remotes:
http://www.crutchfield.com/cgi-bin/S-ZHXk4A29zJT/ProdView.asp?s=0&cc=01&c=2&g=30000&I=158RMXM10B

These are way less expensive on ebay ($700 for MP80, XM Radio and two Marine Remotes)

Cyclonecj · Soul Rider Joined: 12 Jan 2003 Posts: 338 City: Atlanta

I went to XM because I got tired of CD's/MP3 cd's skipping. Hit doubleups, stuff bangs around. The Sony small interchangeable receiver is not being made anymore. There was a dispute between Sony and XM because Delphi made an XM boombox, Sony thought they had an exclusive agreement and bailed on the whole thing. Prices on the Sony modular receiver have been dropping, and they will drop even more. I love XM, I have the small Sony receiver and take it to work, in my car, and at home. This summer it will be on the boat. you don't need the big stupid antenna for XM, I know that Supra has partnered with Sirius, they must have a decent looking marine antenna for Sirius too.

porter · Outlaw Joined: 23 Jan 2003 Posts: 109 City: Sammamish

A followup to my earlier message. It looks like Sony took the XM-Ready out of the MP80. If you want XM you have to buy the model before it, the MP70.

OttoNP · Addict Joined: 13 Jan 2003 Posts: 848 City: MI

I've heard that XM radio does have commercials...

I hate the idea of paying for radio...BOO!!

Also a small note, any digital signal must be converted to a non-digital signal at some point before you hear it. If anyone wants to know more of an explanation, let me know. Also, when the "expert" at the audio/video store tells you the $1000 digital cable will improve sound quality, they are full of it.

Nick
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porter · Outlaw Joined: 23 Jan 2003 Posts: 109 City: Sammamish

OttoNP. I'd like to know about the $1000 digital cable not improving sound quality. Isn't there some point when a quality cable can make a difference?

Also, what about DVI. For example, I have a DLP Projector with a DVI input. There is a new Samsung DVD player coming out that has a DVI output. Theretically with this setup I should be able to get a 100% digital signal from the DVD to the DLP projecter, which is also digital. I could take it a step further and play the Star Wars II DVD which supposedly is the first DVD that is produced directly from it's Digital Master. Wouldn't that be 100% digital?

Cyclonecj · Soul Rider Joined: 12 Jan 2003 Posts: 338 City: Atlanta

The little Sony receiver has a line level analog output. Music is analog, remember.

OttoNP · Addict Joined: 13 Jan 2003 Posts: 848 City: MI

Porter,

I'll have to look into that DVI a little first, but maybe this will help with audio/sound stuff.

Probably the first thing to know is the difference between analog and digital signals.

An analog signal has an amplitude and a frequency, the sound you hear is an example of an analog signal. Sound is really just a change in air pressure, the change in air pressure is related to the amplitude and how fast this pressure change is related to the frequency. The louder it is, the higher the amplitude. Then you have the frequency, the frequency is the pitch, for example bass is around 100 Hz and as you increase the frequency the pitch gets higher. So when you look at an analog signal, it looks all wavy and continuous. For example the speaker wires you have going to your speaker are sending a analog signal. Since an analog signal is sending out a particular amplitude, having poor speaker wire can mess with the sound.

A digital signal also has an amplitude and a frequency; however, a "perfect" digital signal always has the same amplitude. In the end a digital signal is basically a 1 or a 0. For example, the optical cable you may have going from your DVD player to your receiver/decoder is transmitting light. A small laser in your DVD player turns on and off repeatedly to send this digital signal. The brightness of the laser can not be changed, it is either on or off and your receiver/decoder reads it as such. If this signal was analog, then the brightness would change and your receiver/decoder would need to be able to measure the brightness. These light flashes can be though of as 1 for on and 0 for off. Now, since the world isn't perfect, the light brightness might not be a 1, it might be a .7, a .8, or a 1.5, but this doesn't matter, as long as it passes the threshold it will be corrected back to a 1. Then, your decoder/receiver takes this stream of 1s and 0s and converts them into an analog signal that is amplified and sent to your speakers. Now you can see why the digital cable doesn't matter, as long as it can send the pulses through everything is fine. Here's a final example showing two digital cables...

cheap digital cable
DVD players sends 1 1 0 0 1 1 1 0 0 0 1 1
Cable messes it up to 1.2 .8 0 -.1 .7 .7 .8 .1 .1 0 1.5 .9
Receiver corrects to 1 1 0 0 1 1 1 0 0 0 1 1

expensive digital cable
DVD players sends 1 1 0 0 1 1 1 0 0 0 1 1
Cable passes on 1 1 0 0 1 1 1 0 0 0 1 1
Receiver corrects to 1 1 0 0 1 1 1 0 0 0 1 1 <---same as cheap at this point

Nick
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unlawfuly_assembled · Newbie Joined: 25 Jan 2003 Posts: 30 City: Kalamazoo, MI

Pioneer has the XM ready recievers, too.