Nice Park Job

Liquid Lifestyle · Posted: Sep 13, 2004 11:05 am Post subject: Nice Park Job

Just saw this. over on hotboatpics.

I am sure you could still use the tower at least.

DrewT · Newbie Joined: 07 Sep 2004 Posts: 26 City: Columbia

That would be a good test to see if those tower speakers are really waterproof.

Geoff Standish · Addict Joined: 13 Jan 2003 Posts: 843 City: Calgary

Ohhh my, ouch!

salmon_tacos · Posted: Sep 13, 2004 12:01 pm Post subject:

I think I've seen that picture before. If so, it's a Centurion and it sank on the Columbia River on Labor Day weekend.

astro209 · Soul Rider Joined: 09 Oct 2003 Posts: 279 City: Nor*Cal

Can anyone say "underwater diving expedition"!!!!!

89 skier · Addict Joined: 30 Jun 2004 Posts: 729 City: Dallas

I've seen towers for sale before (without the mounting feet) from boats that sank. I guess they couldn't stay under water long enough to get the mounting feet.
Maybe next time, they'll use scuba gear or just wait for the boat to get pulled out of the lake.

Erik · Posted: Sep 13, 2004 2:59 pm Post subject:

I just have to ask.... how do you create a series of events that lead to SINKING A SKI OR WAKEBOARD BOAT?

I don't understand it. In 28 years of being around these I've only ever seen 1 or 2 really bad "swampings" of a ski boat. Never seen an inboard ski boat sink in real life, nor heard of one occuring on the lakes on which I ride. I know it must happen, or there wouldnt be images like this. But how does it happen? What are these people doing/attempting that can cause this sort of thing to occur?

Sick_Air_Crash · Criminal Joined: 12 Aug 2004 Posts: 75 City: Sandy

I don't think when they say waterproof on the speaker they had submersion in mind Very Happy

salmon_tacos · Posted: Sep 13, 2004 3:12 pm Post subject:

Erik,

Good question. I thought the boat should be able to float, even if it's completely swamped, as long as it's under the weight rating. Water ballast is neutral, so does this mean that they had an assload of lead in there or something?

Or am I wrong about the floating thing?

Erik · Posted: Sep 13, 2004 3:38 pm Post subject:

I thought that too salmon_tacos, but recent someone posted on here that even with the foam squirted in each and every nook and cranny of our nice ski boats, with the right amount of water on board via swamping, or a hole or whatever, "she will go down" (thinking of that line in "Titanic" where the naval architect says that...)

I'd sleep better at night, literally, if I could assume that since I don't carry lead, the worst thing that could happen is my boat would go neutrally buoyant. Not a great situation still but christ at least it isnt sitting on the floor of the lake.

I literally had a dream about my boat sinking last night. Its so weird that this would come up today.

salmon_tacos · Posted: Sep 13, 2004 3:43 pm Post subject:

Sounds more like a nightmare.

Erik · Posted: Sep 13, 2004 3:51 pm Post subject:

It definitely was a nightmare Sad

The thing is it was exactly a rehash of something that happened in real life this summer... When a Wakesetter piloted by an a$$h0*3 circled me slowly, and swamped us from the back. One wave came completely over the transom. I had never seen that before. In my dream it was more like a wall, and the boat instantly went down a foot. We then chugged over to a beach and bailed it out. Dreams suck sometimes. Wish I had more Super Air dreams and less boat sinking dreams Smile

lcap · Ladies Man Joined: 13 Nov 2003 Posts: 10973 City: Homeless

Unless someome (other than the owner) pulled the plug, I can't imagine that happening. The Columbia River is in Eastern Washington which is a desert. No rain during the Labor Day weekend.

The shop had a new mechanic that pulled my plug on my Sport. Rode for over an hour before my buddy noticed the water on the floor boards.

That's when I realized how sweet the Sport was with a little extra weight.

ATROPINE · Outlaw Joined: 14 Aug 2003 Posts: 197 City: Logandale, NV

doesn't that front tower leg look like the Tige tower leg with that bend in it?

Lcky275 · Posted: Sep 13, 2004 5:36 pm Post subject:

About 4 years ago, a friend of mine (he used to post here, but i haven't seen him in a while) had an early model tige DD with a full fat sac in the back. If I remember correctly they were getting close to some rocks, so he asked his brother's girlfriend to bump it in reverse. She actually went WOT and sunk the platform which sent a water rushing over the transom, once the water started coming in it was too late. He tried to throw it in drive, but the water stalled the engine, and it sank. Lots of $$$$ to get it back in running order.

salmon_tacos · Posted: Sep 13, 2004 5:49 pm Post subject:

From another message board:

Erik · Posted: Sep 13, 2004 5:52 pm Post subject:

Ok Seriously. I need a valium. OMFG. The sight of a gorgeous ski boat sitting on the bottom of a body of water is SO disturbing.

joedirt00 · Posted: Sep 13, 2004 6:09 pm Post subject:

If it was on the Columbia during a high wind day I definitely could see that happen. The Colubia River Gorge is just a canyon carved by the river and wind can just whip through there creating swells and whitecaps. Infact the city of Hood river is THE best place for windsurfing in the pacific NW because of that wind.
I've been out sturgeon fishing on bad days there, No fun.

Liquid*Force*Rider · Posted: Sep 13, 2004 6:37 pm Post subject:

there is probable some board and gear in there still Smile

lets go get it Twisted Evil

lcap · Ladies Man Joined: 13 Nov 2003 Posts: 10973 City: Homeless

The Columbia River is no place to F_ck around. The pictures I posted of the X-Star was taken the day of the accidents. Two hours later wind picked up to 30 - 40 knots blowing straight up river without warning.

This resulted in 5' to 6' rollers. I filled the back ballast, turned on both bilge pumps, pointed the bow toward the ski and SLOWLY headed toward the marina (never driving directly into the oncoming rollers for three miles). I had a parade of closed bows that were smart enough to tuck in behind me.

When we got back to the marina I noticed a guy with his engine cover up across the river. Sent a jet-skier over to see if he needed help. He declined because "it's just overheated!" Left his dumb as_ for the rocks.

While waiting to hear if the boater was o.k. another idiot was getting ready to launch. At least five seperate boaters warned them about the conditions. Needless to say, they went out anyway.

Erik

Unless you are an absolutely brainless, dead drunk, egocentric, blind, deaf and dumb captain your 2001's and the new SAN are safe.

Sorry--I've been in therapy for years trying to cope with people's stuipidty.

lcap · Ladies Man Joined: 13 Nov 2003 Posts: 10973 City: Homeless

The jet boat from our local news:

dju · Newbie Joined: 05 Feb 2004 Posts: 39 City: Seattle

The week of the fourth of July my Wife and I had to rescue 10+ kids that were rafting damn-damn down the columbia in the same area. We had to tow them into the Sandbar when one of the canoes started taking on water and sinking in some pretty shady wind. Exact same area as both the stories above. My family cabin has been on that part of the river for 18 years and we haven't had any problems, but then again, we respect the wind.

Mr. Mutt · Posted: Sep 13, 2004 8:50 pm Post subject:

Wakeboard boats aren't built with boyency if they take in a lot of water. I could see a boat going down if you had more than the rated weight in the boat or something.

joedirt00 · Posted: Sep 14, 2004 3:01 am Post subject:

Brit Rider · Posted: Sep 14, 2004 4:20 am Post subject:

surely due to international marine salage laws that boat is anyones for the taking.
is it freshwater?

Time to fetch a tug Twisted Evil

89 skier · Addict Joined: 30 Jun 2004 Posts: 729 City: Dallas

I heard of a boat here in Dallas sinking because someone was traveling too close to the shore (when the lake was up) and hit something under water that created a large hole in the hull, which in turn sank the boat completely. So in that case it didn't have anything to do with ballast or abnormal weighting of the boat.

I've also towed in a Yamaha twin jet-drive boat that would have sank if the shore he drifted to wouldn't have kept him somewhat afloat. He must have hit something in the water which caused him to take on water. When we got to him water was already to the top of his engine and almost to his knees inside the boat. Trying to tow him was like trying to tow a 3,000# anchor. Not to mention the guys driving it were idiots and didn't know what to do. Luckily they gave us their cooler of Heiniken for our efforts.

boarditup · Addict Joined: 01 Dec 2003 Posts: 731 City: Allendale, MI

Only boat under 20' are required to have flotation built in. Boats over 20' have no such requirements. Almost all wakeboarding boats do not have flotation in them and will sink if swamped. If you use lead, sand, or concrete, you have even less time. get the biggest bilge pump you can have an install it. Also, strategically placing life jackets under the seats also helps. If in trouble, put on your wetsuit and lifejacket first. The boat is expendable. You can add floation foam under the gunnels on any boat. Simply weigh your boat, divide by 60 and that is the number of cubic feet of foam required to float your boat if swamped. For most boats, that is about 50 cubic feet. Several components do have less density than water, so the acutal number will be less, but you get the idea.

jordan23 · Soul Rider Joined: 16 Feb 2003 Posts: 497 City: Mesa

salmon_tacos · Posted: Sep 14, 2004 7:34 am Post subject:

Well, he said "required." It is entirely possible that some manufacturers build positive buoyancy into their boats regardless of legal requirements.

boarditup,

Do you happen to know when that rule went into effect? Would it apply, for example, to...say...an 18'9" boat from 1986? I don't plan to test it out either way (!) but I am curious.

jordan23 · Soul Rider Joined: 16 Feb 2003 Posts: 497 City: Mesa

Erik · Posted: Sep 14, 2004 8:16 am Post subject:

salmon_tacos I think your boat is the same as mine, and my dad was told, that the company does put enough foam to keep the boat neutrally buoyant.

boarditup · Addict Joined: 01 Dec 2003 Posts: 731 City: Allendale, MI

I think the reg went into effect in the early 60's. It has been around for a while.

Most manufacturers do not put in positive flotation. That said, the design of the hull will trap some air under the gunnels and keep it bouyant for a while. Of course, each penetration will allow some air to leak past slowly - windshield, dash board, tower, etc. The gas tank will also help float the boat if the vent is above the water.

Best advice:

Don't hit bottom.

Don't overload.

Keep away from collision and allision situations.

Don't manuver in a way to create a swamping situation. I have seen two boats swamped by poorly executed power turns. Sort of funny and sad at the same time. I have also seen several boats swamped by getting hooked under docks when the tide rose or the boat was rocked by wakes.

lcap · Ladies Man Joined: 13 Nov 2003 Posts: 10973 City: Homeless

Never sank a boat, never personally seen one sink. We have all types of boats in our marina on the Columbia, including Tige.

I've literally skied the course on pure glass and by the time I removed my bindings had waves coming over the windshield and hitting the back seat.

Been caught on Lake Chelan in hurricane force winds. Again without warning.

To the uninitiated of the unique conditions of the Columbia River and Lake Chelan I can see panic setting in. Combine this with new equipment, a holiday weekend and I can see potential disaster. Otherwise no way.

A single roller comming over the bow will not sink any boat.

lanceuga33 · Outlaw Joined: 16 Oct 2003 Posts: 143 City: McDonough

I don't think that is a Centurion. All 2003 and 2004 Centurions had Aluminum painted windshield frames not black.

Ruune · Posted: Sep 14, 2004 10:54 am Post subject:

Guys...
Correct me if I'm wrong but isnt it a standard with new boats sold in the US is that they have positive floatation foam inside the hull? This keeps the boat from going below the waterline if swamped or otherwise weighted with water. What it looks like with that boat is that they had lead weight in the front and swamped the boat.