Another backroll crash sequence!

[WakeBoardingManiac]

I tried to revive the other thread, but looks lke everyone simply passed over it, so I'll make a new thread here...

I got a few pics a couple of days ago, I seem to get way more air than before, but I still have that godamn handle problem... If I keep it n my two hands, it weirdly gets on top of my head like in the single picture, and if I let it go with one hand (like the bad habit I developped makes me do) I rotate more, but still bust my ass... The sequece is where I let go of my hand, and the single pic is where I have my two hands on the handle (yeah, while edging I simply said to myself to not let go of the Bubb Rubbing handle whatever hapens, and this is what it gave, lol)

Sorry if the sequence is not nearly as good as the first one, I'm not the photographer so I have no control over that

Also, I tried it on the tramp with a rope, and that damn rope is always in the wya... I can do very easily backflips, frontflips, 'backrolls' (Which means rotating the way you are looking; in this example, with your chin on you lead shoulder) without a rope, and I tried with a rope, and I seem to be able to do tantrums allright (only I'm landing on my knees, but practice should take care of that) but I still can't understandf at all where to put the rope on a backroll...

Any advice? I'll probably try a tanrum next run tough, just to see if it seems more natural to me, but I'd stil be happy to land a backroll...

[pooser]

in the second pic you only have one hand on the handle. Keep both hands on the handle and keep the handle to your waist. its hard to tell your problem without seeing a full sequence. starting from your cut all the way throgh.

[Wakebrad]

it doesn't look like a backroll rotation. It looks more like a tantrum except you don't twist.

You should be looking to the nose of your board. It looks like you're looking to the tail on that sequence. Your pop still looks a little low. You don't have the part when you're leaving the wake but if you're not getting enough height you're probably throwing it too early.

You really don't need to throw a backroll. You just ride up the wake and lean your upper body to your tail, look to the nose and the next thing you know the water's underneath you.

[WakeBoardingManiac]

Well what I'm doin is putting my chin on my front(right, since I'm goofy) shoulder as soon as I feel I got the pop... Isn't that what I gotta do for a backroll?

[Wakebrad]

n/m after looking at the pictures again you are looking to your nose. So scratch that.

[WakeBoardingManiac]

Goofy riding mixed you up?

Anyway, any other thing I could do to get the handle placement down? I have a tramp but even on that the rope seems to be stopping my rotation and getting in the way, because I can do them fine without the rope...

[Wakebrad]

it looks like you're not standing tall. If you look at the first picture in the air your board is barely over your head. You should be tall when you're upside down. You still have to have a progressive edge and stand tall at the end of the wake. Just when you're doing it lean back. Thats probably why you're not getting enough height and why you're not getting the rotation. When you stand tall it coils a lot of force that once you release from the wake you'll spin around quickly.

What I would work on next time your out is riding all the way through the wake and really work on standing tall at the end. Keep both hands on the handle too. If the rope interferes you're not doing the correct rotation.

[Wakebrad]

If it's messing you up on the tramp you might be considering the rotation wrong. It's more of a cartwheel motion than a backflip. Think if you do a cartwheel in the air (areal) and you hold your hand out in front of you, it should never interfere with your body.

[Sportster4Tec]

Well the thing i can tell most from the pics is you let go with your leading hand and you have the handle up by your head. Keep both hands on the handle and keep it at your waist. Also what most people don't understand is that on the backroll, like the tantrum it is pretty much just the cut and pop that does the flip for you. You don't need a big cut or anything, you just gotta build up a LOT of line tension right at the wake. So you take a real progressive cut then you build up extra line tension at the wake and this is what almost kinda flips the board out to your side and starts the rotation for you. Then you look over your shoulder tot he front of the board. So you gotta make sure to get your cut and pop right. Your just trying to "huck" it in those pictures.

[WakeBoardingManiac]

Actually, that's pretty much all the air I can get off that wake... Here's an attached pic of the highest I can go, sicne I have no tower and a crappy wake...

[Wakebrad]

yeah, you're right. that does look about the same height. If you are really standing tall on it you're releasing too early. I'd still focus on those two things..

[Sportster4Tec]

Double Post..

[Wakebrad]

wow, 2 posts and a picture between a double post. That's gotta be a record.

[Xbrdr1]

Here's 3 shots of where it should be...Keep that handle down.

[WakeBoardingManiac]

Thanks for the pictures, I'll try on the tramp tomorrow and hope that I get in my head where the handle gotta go =)

[wakeboarder_360]

WakeBoardingManiac,
I just learned somewhat of a new trick in one try. try to ride on the wake on your ts and cut the rest of the way up and do a ts backroll. this trick isn't too hard and i'm guessing it won't hurt . I looks like you like more of a backflip rotation.

[WakeBoardingManiac]

thx wakeboarder_360, but umm yeah I suck toeside

I finally understood the rotation on the tramp a few minutes ago, it's actually pretty simple, someone looked at what I was doing with the rope and told me I didn't do it like a cartwheel but more like a backflip, and I tried more and more cartwheel and now I landed maybe 4 or 5 in somewhere along 15 attempts, so I'll practice again tomorrow and try to make that at least 10 per 15, then I'l be ready to do it on the wakeboard.

Thanks everyone!

[Sportster4Tec]

Haha i don't know how that double post happened . It says the second post is about 21 minutes after the first. haha

[Dbpunk31]

you might be feeling like you're being pulled more forward then up and thats because of the low rope. if your boat can get a plyon i strongly recomend gettin one. the wake is not as important as the rope so make that invesment. also try and ride more balanced weight on your grab picture it looks like your riding back foot heavy which throws off your pop( i just learned) so work on those things and dont huck the rotation just stand tall and as fat joe says lean back

[colefooter]

It sounds like everyone else basically said all the tips i could of said.

i have a idea, you should take that second pic you have, zoom in on it so you can't see the wake, and say your doing a whirly bird

I think backroll on a trampoline is a lot harder than on the water, because on the water you have the wake to roll off of, on a trampoline you just gotta huck the rotation. If you can keep both hands on the handle while your on the trampoline and land it, then you should be able to nail it on the water. Good Luck!

[WakeBoardingManiac]

I got it on the tramp, so I should probably stick it next time I try

And by taking the pic while in the air, you mean like that?