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Super Air Folks - Is this a good deal?

 
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Erik
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PostPosted: Jun 25, 2004 5:45 am    Post subject: Super Air Folks - Is this a good deal? Reply with quote

I was perusing the Web today and saw this ad for a 2001 Super Air. As I am looking to possibly move into a SAN next year, I'd like to know if this seems like a good deal?

http://www.whitelake.com/usedboats/2001_super_air_johnson.htm

Thanks very much.
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PostPosted: Jun 25, 2004 7:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a 2001 SAN, just like the one shown (different color though). Great boat. Check NADA value and then see if they will negotiate.

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PostPosted: Jun 25, 2004 7:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

How many hours?
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PostPosted: Jun 25, 2004 8:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Erik, I don't think it is the greatest deal. I bought a 2001 SAN a year an a half ago for 39K and it had many more options (perfect pass, fresh water cooling, etc.). I think you could probably get that boat for around 35. My take on it anyway. Good luck!
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PostPosted: Jun 25, 2004 8:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My problem with it, like many newer used wakeboard boats is that you could of got that boat new for only a few bucks more in 2001. WHen I bought my 2000 in 2000 I got it for about that price. Just cause the new ones keep getting more expensive shouldn't mean you should pay more for an older one.

Comparable to other boats I've seen lately for sale that boat could be a OK deal if you beat them down a little or if it is in flawless condition for its age.
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PostPosted: Jun 25, 2004 8:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey Erik, I agree with actiondcpd in that the price looks a tad steep, especially without perfectpass. It doesn't appear that rig comes with heat or a shower, either. I also have an '01 and mine was significantly less. I'd think that rig should be priced around 35-36K.

Just my $.02!
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PostPosted: Jun 25, 2004 8:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.whitelake.com/Pate%2000%20SAN.htm
From the looks this would be a better deal. 100 more hours with similar options for 5 grand less.
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PostPosted: Jun 25, 2004 8:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with everyone else. Maybe he is asking more for the first one because it has a West Coast Choppers sticker on it? That makes all the difference......
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PostPosted: Jun 25, 2004 1:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My dealer had an 02 SANTE with team package and perfect pass and he was asking 35k and I know he ended up selling it for 32.5 k. So I would look around, especially at the end of the season or find someone trying to unload one in the winter months.
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PostPosted: Jun 25, 2004 1:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree too that the boat sounds to steep.
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PostPosted: Jun 25, 2004 2:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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My problem with it, like many newer used wakeboard boats is that you could of got that boat new for only a few bucks more in 2001. WHen I bought my 2000 in 2000 I got it for about that price. Just cause the new ones keep getting more expensive shouldn't mean you should pay more for an older one.


What! I must be stupid because I kind of like riding for free. The better it holds its value the happier I am.

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PostPosted: Jun 25, 2004 3:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks very much for the responses. I thought it sounded high. But if this is the case, then I dont know where to look for one anymore. Flipsell sellers are out of their skulls, so I just go there to look at pics, Brandon Cruze also is very high, and boattrader is just slightly better. I guess they price them high becuase they dont really want or need to sell them... thats the only way I can explain it!

Agh!

Seriously though, thanks for your help!
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PostPosted: Jun 25, 2004 7:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Money talks though. Many of these people are asking high but I bet would take much less for their boats. Don't worry you will find your boat!!
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PostPosted: Jun 28, 2004 6:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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What! I must be stupid because I kind of like riding for free. The better it holds its value the happier I am.


lcap, You can look at it as resale which is great for a owner short term BUT, A boat is a depreciating good. So if it cost 40k new and its now worth 32k fine. but Where I see the problem is when people assume since the new san cost 50k there 2001 they bought for 40k is now worth 39k. people are some what getting ripped. and I understand its about getting the boat you want at a price you can afford and see why it happens.

I may be wrong but entually boat prices will stabilize or come down some and this illusion of resale value will dissapear. Throwing people into more negative quity then they planned for.

My belief is if you buy a car or boat based on resale, you most likely didn't make the right choice. This mentallity works for Homes and such but not depreciating goods.
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PostPosted: Jun 28, 2004 9:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I look at it another way--it helps keep boat envy at bay.

If the price goes up with little or no significant improvements, I keep what I have. On average I hold onto my boats for 8 to 10 years. Then I sell the boat for whatever the market allows.

No one can predict supply and demand, I don't try. My boats have been the best investment our family has ever made. It's worth every penny, every hour of cleanup and every mile driven.

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PostPosted: Jun 28, 2004 10:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Congrats on seeing it that way. A Boat is not sopposed to be an investment in anything but entertainment.
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PostPosted: Jun 29, 2004 11:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jzwake, for some of us, and this may sound cheezy, but boating IS a lifestyle. A lot of people on these boards are out nearly every day of the week, including my family and I, so in our case, a boat most certainly can be an investment in many more things that just entertainment. Anything you put your money into is an investment (look it up in Webster's), and fact has it that a boat isn't the best way to invest your money (that is subjective, but I'm coming from a financial standpoint) because of things like depreciation, but to some the hours of time you get to spend with family and friends out on the lake boarding is well worth it.

If you want to make an investment that will benefit you financially in the future, go buy some land.
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PostPosted: Jun 30, 2004 5:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bruky, I don't think your understanding me. In my 3 posts in this topic I am basically going the exact same route you are. I wasn;t being sarcastic in my last reply. I am all about buying boats and yes financing them over 15years because it is part how my lifestyle.

As for a boat being called an investment, I would never call it an investment, its a toy, cut and dry. and toys are fun. wakeboarding is fun. your lifestyle is your lifestyle because it is fun.
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As per dictionary.com

investment-

Property acquired for the purpose of producing income for its owner. Just as plants and equipment are investments for manufacturers, stocks and bonds are investments for individuals.
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But that is not the point. Your right, its lifestyle and my orignal point was about the illusion of resale value, not weather or not you should buy a boat. Everyone should buy a wakeboard boat.

You should buy a boat based on the fun it will provide, not because it will still be worth X% of what you payed in 5 years.

I will buy some land so I can always afford my toys.
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