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PostPosted: Jun 11, 2004 9:54 am    Post subject: Underwater hardware and corrosion Reply with quote

For anyone who has mounted underwater hardware here's a question:

I've got a bronze scoop to mount to the bottom of my boat for a ballast raw water inlet / outlet. What type of screws should I use?

Brass / Bronze / Stainless Steel? Did you use wood screws?
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PostPosted: Jun 11, 2004 12:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

countersunk head stainless steel bolts with nylon lock nuts.
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PostPosted: Jun 11, 2004 1:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Any hardware you mount on your boat above or below the water line should be stainless.
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PostPosted: Jun 11, 2004 1:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

deepcove wrote:
Any hardware you mount on your boat above or below the water line should be stainless.


I'm curious about this. Why not brass bolts? Surely brass is metallurgically (and electo-potentially) closer to bronze than stainless is hence will be not set up such a large electrolytic differential as a bronze/stainless combination.

If someone knows better, please tell me I'm wrong. I'm just drawing on some basic physics/chemistry learned over 35 years ago!

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PostPosted: Jun 11, 2004 4:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What about the prop shaft and likely the majority of the props.

Hint - Stainless

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PostPosted: Jun 11, 2004 5:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Use all stainless steel for anything frequently in the water.
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PostPosted: Jun 11, 2004 10:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DiyGuy wrote:
What about the prop shaft and likely the majority of the props.

Hint - Stainless


Hmmmmmmm.

I'm just curious.

You implying the majority of props are stainless? Maybe on wakeboard boats and for the last couple of years but prior to that, I'd have thought the vast majority of props were bronze/nibral - especially on ski boats. The shafts are stainless for strength reasons. If brass was harder maybe they would be brass too?

Aluminium and stainless are used together in the contruction of outboards (all the bolts are stainless) but have you ever seen the nice corrosive gel the grows around the seating area of the bolts on an outboard when used in salt water?

If you could make ally bolts with a decent shear strength they would be alloy too.

Dissimilar metals in water doesn't make sense unless there's a mechanical reason for it. I'm just trying to understand what those reasons might be for a water pick-up.

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PostPosted: Jun 12, 2004 6:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stainless and water:

Swim Platform mounting arms and bolts, exhaust pipes and hardware, cleats, grab rails, towers, nuts/bolts, deck screws, eye hooks, throttle / shift cable, steering assembly, clamps, and more.

I/O's - prop shaft, lock nut, cotter pin, vast majority of props (alternate - aluminum), hydraulic tilt pistons, lower unit bolts, Water intake screen, outdrive water pump parts, hi pressure braided hydraulic lines and fittings, swim ladders, ski hook, gas caps, brightwork trim.

Outboards - mostly aluminum except prop shafts, props, shear pins (dont see to many bass boats with aluminum props), brightwork rails, hinges, screws, nuts and bolts.

The only thing I can think of on my inboard that is brass is the water intake valve, rudder, transom drain plug, shaft packing nut, and port side engine drain plug and maybe a few other minor items here and there.

I don't disagree that brass is nice and maybe even preferable and is seen on a lot of cabin cruisers, classic sailing vessles, some marine application stuff associated and used in salt water. Cost would be a factor as brass is simply far more expensive and not as strong as stainless, Yes?

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PostPosted: Jun 12, 2004 8:18 am    Post subject: Brass v stainless Reply with quote

DiyGuy
Can't disagree with anything in your list. Now see why you say most props are stainless (and some ally) as you seem to be thinking I/O. I'm thinking tournament boat where most were definitely brass until recently.

Brass also oxidises so anything to remain bright should be stainless. Moreover, as you say, stainless has a higher tensile strength so anywhere where high torque fixing is required is best done with stainless.

However, we're talking a brass part here to be secured underwater through glassfibre. The bolts won't be under huge tension so there's no excessive strength requirement. Once the sealant used has cured the bolts are largely redundant anyway.

P'raps we should put it this way:

If you need to torque it up real tight, use stainless. If you just need to secure it and brass bolts are available to you, brass will be fine.

Is that a reasonable compromise?

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