Do you stand for the Pledge of Allegiance?

[JHrod]

the trash because they thought the fad was over

[Chales]

I think "antipatriotism" came as a direct result of an increase in patriotism, because its just human nature for a minority to rebel, even if its for something good. Like God and the rebellion against Darth Vader.

Ya I know, today just isn't my analogy day.

[skobi1]

I try to show my patriotism every day. i fly a flag outside my shop and display a garrison flag inside. Check out the pic, its the best I could find. The red and white stripes are the garrison flag in my shop. It is approximately 20 feet x 30 feet.

[Aubs]

josh - ive wanted to go to the AFA since i was a lil kid. now i dont think im going to end up going there tho, as depressing as that is. its a phenomenal school though, and i only wish that i could attend.


i do think that it is disrespectful for anyone to not stand up and pledge. i say it everyday at school - we have a moment of silence as well. its the one part of my day that for 2 minutes, i dont do anything weird. i pay respect where it is due, and since i am thinking about being in the air force, i do have alotta respect out there for the people that are training, and prepared for battle. these past couple of weeks, i've also been thinkin about the families of the astronauts. its a horrible thing, and it just kinda makes me think about my future a little more cautiously...

[skobi1]

Why don't you think your going to go there anymore Aubs?

[Aubs]

my grades. theyre just not good enough...

[Shawn Madison]

Jello John, I have read all your posts lately about patriotic stuff, Iraq, etc. It seems like you are very apathetic towards the US! What makes you so bitter bro?

[Jello John]

I'm not bitter. I just think everyone has their right to protest something if they feel they are being mistreated or, in the case of the Pledge, not be forced to say it if it isn't something they want to say or goes against their beliefs or whatever. And about Iraq, I would support a war if Bush could gain more support from the American public and if he could gain support from our allies. Some evidence on how Iraq is a threat to our lives and freedoms would help as well.

The thing that bugs me is how so many people are willing to bash you if your opinion is different from theirs. Especially in the post you created with the letter, there are people who basically say f*ck you if you don't support war, but yet they barely provide reasons why we should go to war. If I'm at all bitter, it's because of these people.

[Shawn Madison]

Jello John, I do agree with you that you should be able to post/speak you opinion. That is what's great about this country. I don't think there will be a perfect solution to the Iraqi situation, but I feel the US has been put in a quandry with its allies/UN. I do think the US gov. is operating with best intentions(1. for the US, 2. for the UN, 3. for the Iraqi people).

I support the US gov. on its stance-because it needs me and my support to back its position in world politics and issues. I fully believe we are either a country united or a country divided.

I was not trying to come down on you-just wondering if you have had a specific reason. I understand how important it is for everyone to have a voice!

[wake152]

i still think the girl should be sent to iraq see how she enjoys freedom then

[Swass]

Court Upholds Ruling Against 'Under God'

By JUSTIN PRITCHARD
Associated Press Writer

SAN FRANCISCO — A federal appeals court stood by its ruling that reciting the Pledge of Allegiance in public schools is unconstitutional because of the words ``under God,'' perhaps setting the stage for a U.S. Supreme Court fight over a decision that prompted a nationwide outcry.

Bush administration officials strongly condemned Friday's ruling by the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, though they stopped short of saying they would appeal to the Supreme Court.

``We will defend the ability of Americans to declare their patriotism through the time-honored tradition of voluntarily reciting the pledge,'' Attorney General Ashcroft said.

Ruling on a lawsuit brought by Sacramento atheist Michael Newdow, a 9th Circuit panel decided 2-1 last June that Newdow's daughter should not be subjected to the words ``under God'' at her public school.

Friday's ruling reaffirmed that part of the original decision. Though the ban does not go into effect immediately, officials at the Sacramento-area Elk Grove Unified School District, where Newdow's daughter has been enrolled, said students would not recite the pledge starting Monday morning.

``We don't want to take a chance on anyone feeling we're violating the law,'' said superintendent Dave Gordon, who promised to appeal the case.

In a telephone interview Friday with The Associated Press, Newdow praised the court.

``This makes our country stronger when everyone's views are given equality, especially when it comes to religion,'' said Newdow, who received death threats last summer after the initial ruling.

Told that Elk Grove's 53,000 students would no longer be asked to recite the pledge, he added, ``It's good to know they're following the Constitution.''

Judges Alfred Goodwin and Stephen Reinhardt wrote last year that the phrase was an endorsement of God, and that the Constitution forbids public schools or other governmental entities from endorsing religion. They amended their opinion Friday to say it does not restrict the use of the pledge in all public settings, but applies only to public schools where children might feel coerced to recite the words ``under God.''

It was not immediately clear when the ban might be enforced for all of the 9.6 million students who live in the nine states covered by the 9th Circuit. As with all appellate rulings, it won't take effect for several weeks to allow time for an appeal.

Only nine of the 24 active judges wanted the full circuit to reconsider. Writing for the dissenters, Judge Diarmuid F. O'Scannlain noted that last year's decision provoked a public outcry across the nation. The judge said it defies common sense, and ``contradicts our 200-year history and tradition of patriotic references to God.''

Judge Ferdinand F. Fernandez, the lone vote against the initial 9th Circuit ruling, said the words ``under God'' have caused no real harm over the years, ``except in the fevered eye of persons who most fervently would like to drive all tincture of religion out of the public life.''

Reinhardt lashed out at the ``disturbingly wrong-headed'' dissent that public outcry over the pledge ruling should have persuaded the circuit to reconsider.

``The Bill of Rights is, of course, intended to protect the rights of those in the minority against the temporary passions of a majority which might wish to limit their freedoms or liberties,'' Reinhardt wrote.

President Bush and Congress immediately condemned last year's ruling, which would prevent public schoolchildren from reciting the pledge in the nine western states covered by the nation's largest — and, critics charge, most liberal — appeals court. Those states are Alaska, Arizona, California, Hawaii, Idaho, Montana, Nevada, Oregon and Washington.

Newdow's lawsuit began as a challenge to a 1954 decision by Congress to add the words ``under God'' to the pledge. The lawsuit later sidestepped into a parental rights case over a custody dispute between Newdow and his 8-year-old child's mother, Sandra Banning of Elk Grove.

In response to the court's original ruling, Banning asserted that her daughter is not harmed by reciting the pledge. Banning, who now has legal custody of the girl, urged the court to consider whether Newdow had legal standing to bring the case on behalf of his daughter. The court said Newdow did have standing.

[Jello John]

Wow, that sucks for you west coast people.