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ohsix · Posted: Feb 24, 2003 6:52 pm Post subject:

Josh- slavery was not an issue at all when the civil war started. The civil war started because the south was pissed because no one in the south voted for lincoln and he still became president. so they decided they didnt have any say in the gov't and suceeded form the union. the north said you cant do that and they decided to start a war. the south wanted france and britain's help in fighting and france said they would help if britain would and britain said we will help if it's not about slavery and if you win one major battle on northern territory. lincoln knew this so he made the emancipation proclamation that freed slaves in all states not in compliance with the union. do you knwo how many slaves this freed? 0. This came after the battle at antietam because neither side could be satisfied with the outcome and lincoln was afraid it was enough to win the support of france and britain. so this is how he brought slavery into it.
the reason lincoln got elected to president in the first place was his neutral stance on slavery.

DaveBrowning · Posted: Feb 24, 2003 6:52 pm Post subject:

...that's just not right. 'Least you ain't from Arkansas... everybody thinks we're just a bunch of in-breads.

JHrod · Wakeboarder.com Freak Joined: 12 Jan 2003 Posts: 3144

um..what do you think everyone thinks of when they think alabama Question

DaveBrowning · Posted: Feb 24, 2003 6:57 pm Post subject:

Well... at least Clinton isn't from your state!! lol

JHrod · Wakeboarder.com Freak Joined: 12 Jan 2003 Posts: 3144

but atleast monica wasn't related

DaveBrowning · Posted: Feb 24, 2003 6:59 pm Post subject:

HAHAHA...

ohsix · Posted: Feb 24, 2003 7:00 pm Post subject:

damn josh you give up easy. you dont wanna prove me wrong?

JHrod · Wakeboarder.com Freak Joined: 12 Jan 2003 Posts: 3144

sorry didn't see yours --give me a minute

DaveBrowning · Posted: Feb 24, 2003 7:03 pm Post subject:

HEY WES... we were discussing in-breads and clinton n monica!!! Just hold on!! lol

JHrod · Wakeboarder.com Freak Joined: 12 Jan 2003 Posts: 3144

wes the reason no one in the south voted for him was because they knew he was against slavery so when he was elected they knew he was going to outlaw therefore they suceded --as nor cal said--it all leads back to slavery

stuhert · Outlaw Joined: 18 Jan 2003 Posts: 110 City: Canada

It is the Soldier,
not the reporter who has given us freedom of press

It is the Soldier,
not the poet who has given us freedom of speech

It is the Soldier,
not the campus organizer who gives us freedom to demonstrate

It is the Soldier who salutes the flag,
who serves beneath the flag,
and whose coffin is draped by the flag,
who allows the protester to burn the flag.

-Father Dennis Edward O'Brien

DaveBrowning · Posted: Feb 24, 2003 7:15 pm Post subject:

Very well said.

ohsix · Posted: Feb 24, 2003 7:15 pm Post subject:

the only reason lincoln was elected is because slavery split the democratic party between the north and the south. lincoln never took a side on slavery and ran on a campaign of popular sovereignty.

you could say it leeds back to slavery in the sence that that is why lincoln was elected but he was not for or against slavery.

Aubs · Motorboat Queen Joined: 12 Jan 2003 Posts: 9167

wes is right... his campaign was run on popular sovereignty... i just had a test on this a couple weeks ago.

DaveBrowning · Posted: Feb 24, 2003 7:28 pm Post subject:

aubs!! How was the trip?? Hot tub nice?? Wink

Nor*Cal · Ladies Man Joined: 12 Jan 2003 Posts: 9479 City: Sac

I'm not arguing that Lincoln was the Great Emancipator. In fact Wes is correct he didn't take a stance on Slavery until he was in office.

Aubs · Motorboat Queen Joined: 12 Jan 2003 Posts: 9167

dave - read the wakeboarder.com girls post... that gives u a general idea. if u want more details i'll send u them in a PM

Nor*Cal · Ladies Man Joined: 12 Jan 2003 Posts: 9479 City: Sac

Wes- I'm still looking for that paper. It was freshman year of college so I think it's on a burnt CD backup somewhere around here.

DaveBrowning · Posted: Feb 24, 2003 7:45 pm Post subject:

DON'T FORGET ABOUT THAT BIBLIOGRAPHY!! Laughing

ohsix · Posted: Feb 24, 2003 7:47 pm Post subject:

Once he was in office he still wasnt against slavery. When General David Hunter abolished slavery in South Carolina, Georgia and Florida Lincoln revoked Hunter's proclamation. It was then that Lincoln was forced to consider seriously abolishing slavery and he wanted to give the slaveholders payments for their lost property and send the slaves outside the u.s. to haiti and liberia.

JHrod · Wakeboarder.com Freak Joined: 12 Jan 2003 Posts: 3144

u win--this is all past my knowledge

ohsix · Posted: Feb 24, 2003 8:42 pm Post subject:

its cool josh i get that a lot. i knew i was right.
jk

Nor*Cal · Ladies Man Joined: 12 Jan 2003 Posts: 9479 City: Sac

I'm basing my knowledge on a survey course freshman year of college. I'm more into the Civil Rights movement in the 20th century.

ohsix · Posted: Feb 24, 2003 9:37 pm Post subject:

i see what you mean now that it all comes back to slavery though cause lincoln was elected essentially because the slavery issue split the democrat's vote and lincoln was elected which made the south feel like they had no say in the election which led them to succeed which led to the civil war.

Nor*Cal · Ladies Man Joined: 12 Jan 2003 Posts: 9479 City: Sac

OK- I actually like this discussion now that it has some good info going.

Wes I'd like to work through this debate some more. I'm just drawing blanks right now. Let me find my crap from freshman year and get refreshed. I like where this is headed. Most people overlook the multiple factors that are at hand in every issue.

Krashr31 · Outlaw Joined: 07 Feb 2003 Posts: 238 City: Florida

You know what affirmitive Bubb Rubbing action is: Deciding you want to go to college, going to your financial aid office and signing up. Thats affirmitive action pinhead. Any door knob has the same chance of going to college, in fact the poorer the better and what the Bubb Rubb does race have to do with anything.