Texas castration

Neognosis · Ladies Man Joined: 13 Jan 2003 Posts: 17617 City: Webster

Did I hear the radio right? Did Texas just castrate a sex offender?

NorCalStud686 · Posted: Mar 03, 2004 9:48 am Post subject:

I hope you didnt hear that, Ouch. i think that would be Cruel and Unusual punishment.

Swass · Guest

When do the public executions start? There's nothing better than a good, ol' fashioned hangin' and a tuna melt for lunch.

jason_ssr · Posted: Mar 03, 2004 10:09 am Post subject:

YEEEEEEHAAAAWWWWW!!!!

jt09 · Ladies Man Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Posts: 22083 City: Austin

http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/03/03/inmate.castration.ap/index.html

NorCalStud686, it was voluntary.

DALLAS, Texas (AP) -- A former YMCA camp counselor who admitted molesting more than 40 boys underwent voluntary castration this week in Texas, the only state where the prison system allows the surgery.

David Wayne Jones, a former employee of the East Dallas YMCA, is the second inmate to have the surgery since a 1997 law legalized the procedure.

Jones is expected to complete his sentence this week before facing further prosecution for an unresolved sex abuse charge, said Judy Johnson, who heads the Texas Department of Criminal Justice's sex-offender treatment program.

Johnson told The Dallas Morning News in Wednesday's editions that she believes castration will help Jones control his urges and allow him to benefit more from therapy. He had previously been taking a testosterone-suppressing drug that mimics the effect of physical castration.

Jones pleaded guilty in 1991 to several felony charges of indecency with a child in exchange for a 15-year prison sentence. He also pleaded guilty to aggravated sexual assault of a child who was not connected to the East Dallas YMCA.

Jones still faces a charge of sexually assaulting a 5-year-old day camper in 1990 during a YMCA field trip. He was expected to be jailed until a judge decides whether to grant him bail in that case.

riverfreak · Posted: Mar 03, 2004 10:15 am Post subject:

sounds fair to me.......would definately make me think before I molested a child...... damn I love TX! Laughing

Neognosis · Ladies Man Joined: 13 Jan 2003 Posts: 17617 City: Webster

Yea, that's the deal. Texas, as well as a handful of other states, allow voluntary castration. I seem to remember that a few other states allow that too, but the article above seems to contradict that.

I am not sure what to think yet. Anyone? (silly, emotion driven responses will not be counted)

jason_ssr · Posted: Mar 03, 2004 10:32 am Post subject:

I think its a great idea if it works to extinguish the behavior. Its hard to comprehend that a physical procedure will effect an mental problem, but if so, Im all for it. Hormones are a very perplexing thing.

ellalenell · Posted: Mar 03, 2004 10:45 am Post subject:

Jester · Posted: Mar 03, 2004 10:52 am Post subject:

Rocko · Posted: Mar 03, 2004 10:53 am Post subject:

or just kill the bastard. it is texas right???

jason_ssr · Posted: Mar 03, 2004 10:56 am Post subject:

Ell, for many in here, the criminal is the only ones who's rights we need to be concerned with, not the victims. Punishment should never fit the crime or be as bad as the crime. Punishment should be a process of absolving the criminal of responsibility by blaming a disease or his/her upbringing. We are to send a message of tollerance and understanding to these criminals and use tax dollars to educate and fund their lives since they are to preoccupied to do it themselves. Maybe with some money in their pocket and a roof over their head, they can muster up a date with someone their own age thus eliminating crimes with a child.

The victim was simply unlucky and no longer should be the focus of the issue.

ohsix · Posted: Mar 03, 2004 11:02 am Post subject:

jason ssr,
Have you ever considered a career in talk radio? I think you would do well.

jt09 · Ladies Man Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Posts: 22083 City: Austin

wes reeves, he types more than he talks. The guy is a mute in person!

jason_ssr, well said, err...typed!

All I know is if anyone touches a hair on my daughter's head, they are WAY better off in jail. Cruel and unusual would not begin to describe what would happen.

jeffrey_25 · Addict Joined: 05 Oct 2003 Posts: 811

jason_ssr · Posted: Mar 03, 2004 11:38 am Post subject:

HAHA!!! JT! between you, BGreen, Raider Lefty, PChick, and Michelle, I couldnt get a word in. Plus at party cove, I was doing alot more watching and alot less talking.

mmmm....Corona

Neognosis · Ladies Man Joined: 13 Jan 2003 Posts: 17617 City: Webster

Ok, so far all I got were emotional responses. Oh well.

jt09 · Ladies Man Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Posts: 22083 City: Austin

cameraboy, you want my unemotional response? Here it is:

This is stupid. Castration does nothing to solve the problem of this guy's desire to molest kids. If the sickness lived in his penis/gonads, I would be OK with it 100%. It doesn't, so it is a waste of time, effort and money - personally I think he did it so he can get back out on the street when his parole time comes up.

Jester · Posted: Mar 03, 2004 12:12 pm Post subject:

BillJ · Posted: Mar 03, 2004 12:13 pm Post subject:

How are you so sure that it doesn't? A child doesn't have the same sexual urges that an adult has because they don't have anywhere close to the same level or testosterone. After castration the guy should have much less desire for sex and to molest children again. I'm not saying he's cured but as the report said, it should make his therapy much more effective.

Tyler T · Posted: Mar 03, 2004 12:21 pm Post subject:

Tell me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't castrating someone stop their ability to produce semen, thus drastically lowering testosterone levels, which in turn directly affect human behavior? Basically what I am saying is that I think it would help. I believe that it would lower or even eliminate the sex drive.

ellalenell · Posted: Mar 03, 2004 12:30 pm Post subject:

jason_ssr · Posted: Mar 03, 2004 12:42 pm Post subject:

hahahahahahahaha!!! Laughing

Anyone care to post the definition of sarcasm?

ellalenell · Posted: Mar 03, 2004 12:43 pm Post subject:

thank you. It was borderline. I've heard people talk like that

jason_ssr · Posted: Mar 03, 2004 12:44 pm Post subject:

CB, I think my initial post after yours was the dry opinion you were looking for, no?

Dragonlady8 · Guest

Neognosis · Ladies Man Joined: 13 Jan 2003 Posts: 17617 City: Webster

Yea, that was a logical opinion, Jason.

I was just trying to weed out the "If you REALLY wanna solve the problem using elective surgery a lobotomy is the only good solution." opinions.

I think, and I'm only beginning to form an opinion here, that it is cruel and unusual. But then again, it's voluntary. But then I get scared that the potential for coercement exists, and also I have a hard time conceiving of someone wanting to do this who wasn't mentally ill. Can the mentally ill really make a competant decision to have a body part cut off?

I suppose that if the alternative for repeat sexual offenders is life in prison w/ no parole, then maybe castration is a viable option. But the idea is so horrible to me, that I can't seem to convince myself to support this. It just seems too Orwellian. Know what I mean?

Save your typing fingers if you are going to respond to this with anything that sounds like "too bad, they should casterate every sex offender" or "they should just kill them" or "they should be lobotomized" or anything like that. That stuff will only make me think you are a little wacko, and I am looking for more logical arguments to get all rational sides of this thing.

Dragonlady8 · Guest

cameraboy, Unfortunately there aren't any easy answers for this issue.
Castration doesn't work nor does rehab. Jails are too full to house these types. If lobotomies were the answer, I'm sure that the country would be swarming with a bunch of zombies (Humor).

ohsix · Posted: Mar 03, 2004 1:04 pm Post subject:

I don't know if testicles have the same effect on humans as other animals, but there is definitely a difference in the amount of aggression between a bull and a steer. Bulls will try to mount anything they can when they get the urge (including steers) if a bull senses that a heifer is in heat they will do anything within their power to get to her. This includes serious injury to themselves by trying to run through fences. Steers do not react like bulls at all. They do not care if a heifer is in heat and they very rarely show aggression.

The only answer I can think of to this difference in steers and bulls is testicles. Does anyone know of another reason they behave differently?

jason_ssr · Posted: Mar 03, 2004 1:08 pm Post subject:

I think JT uh....nailed it? it was a political move to show his willingness to rid himself of the behavior as opposed to life in prison. Its for show. But, like I said, hormones are wierd things and affect thought processes (ask dlady... Wink

) so their may be a legit claim that it works.

Then again, is been forever since weve had a good ole fashioned lynchin'.

Wheres my stick and lynchin rope??

Seeing a pedophile swinging in the town square may not cure the rest of them, but it might make them keep their thoughts to themselves, and thats all I ask.

nmballa · Posted: Mar 03, 2004 1:35 pm Post subject:

How does castration not work. When you remove the testicals you eliminate the majority of the testoterone production. Bam sex drive stops. Yes the guy will still be a wacko and like to have sex with kids but you have eliminated the drive for it. Their is nothing left in him to push him to do such things. Basically you elimnate that drive that propels him to indulge in these sick ass fantasies of his.

jt09 · Ladies Man Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Posts: 22083 City: Austin

nmballa, you don't understand sex crimes. Not only that but you contradict yourself in your own post.

The crime is not about the sexual pleasure, it is about the power the predator holds over the victim. The sex is just an avenue in the same way violence is for others.

Rapists don't rape to bust a nut. If that were the case, they would go about it entirely differently.

Pedophiles almost ALWAYS have been sexually abused in their life. It is an emotional/psychological issue more than a testosterone issue. If it had ANYTHING to do with testosterone, women would not be sexual predators and there are women sexual predators.

Swass · Guest

A woman predator in the midst of so much willing prey? She's not a predator; she's just ugly.

nmballa · Posted: Mar 03, 2004 1:48 pm Post subject:

jt09, I never claimed to be an expert but if you eliminate the testoterone you also dramatically alter the psychology of these men. They have this fantasy to do some heinous thing, but when you remove the drive they dont go out and do it. Kind of like having a car but no gas. Its not gonna go anywhere without the fuel. By elimnating the testosterone their is no drive to fufill these fantasies. I mean hormones basically control our emotions, by having such a drastic drop in horomones i would think that the persons phychology and emotions would be drastically altered.

jason_ssr · Posted: Mar 03, 2004 1:50 pm Post subject:

HAHAHA!!! Swass!! Classic....