educational videos, and camera angles

Jeffro · Addict Joined: 17 Jan 2003 Posts: 659 City: Austin, Texas

the majority of stuff i've seen is always from the boat, or from a chase boat to the side of the rider.

are there any vids that have the chase or tube behind the rider? i'm wondering how much difference (if any) it would make teaching? Seems like it would allow the student to understand more (with the addition of a shot from the back) rather than trying to learn and understand a trick by looking at a "mirror" (the boat eye view) of it. For example, if you wanted to teach someone a ts w2w... how much easier for the student would it be if they saw how the trick was done by looking at it from behind?...which would be the same position for them to follow mentally before they attempt the trick themselves.

your thoughts?

tparider · Posted: Feb 27, 2004 10:19 am Post subject:

I don't think there are any instructionally focused videos with that angle used (dismissing a few scenes here or there of course).

I think it would be a cool idea and I can see your logic on the viewer understanding more from the water perspective instead of the view from the boat.

03Belmont · Wakeboarder.com Freak Joined: 19 Aug 2003 Posts: 4656

but goofy and regular..... that would be harder for someone to learn a ts jump if they rode regular and the person in the instructinol (SP)? is riding goofy

bluefish86 · Posted: Feb 27, 2004 10:55 am Post subject:

I think all the perspective and regular/goofy things matter for some people, but not for others. As long as I can clearly see what the rider is doing, I'm fine.

Jeffro · Addict Joined: 17 Jan 2003 Posts: 659 City: Austin, Texas

i guess my point is more about seeing a different style of educational video for those that under stand things in a more visual way and trying to mirror that. Just another idea to toss out there to any movie makers.

bluefish86 · Posted: Feb 27, 2004 6:33 pm Post subject:

You know what would be sick? If all the forum members contributed to make a free instructional video for people to download. We definitely have all the equipement, riding talent, editing ability and website to pull it off. Idea

Fredrick Eisenhauer · Posted: Feb 28, 2004 6:58 am Post subject:

I dont think there would be enough tricks and tricktips for every single forum member to give tricktips. Keep in mind there are 6000 of us. Sure hardly of them post but anyway.

jeffrey_25 · Addict Joined: 05 Oct 2003 Posts: 811

I've always thought about this. Since people have so much trouble with clearing the wake and progressive edging someone should make a video with a helicopter about the rider showing I nice prgressive edge so they can see the rider becoming more aggressive and putting tension in the rope.

That's just my two cents worth.

bluefish86 · Posted: Feb 28, 2004 11:15 am Post subject:

vip20882000, I didn't mean everyone posts one. I meant every who was interested could help in some way to put it together, ie some riders, some filmers, some editors, some doing voice-overs.

Jeffro · Addict Joined: 17 Jan 2003 Posts: 659 City: Austin, Texas

jeffrey_25, you bring up another point i wanted to start a discussion about.

- angle of the board to the wake during tricks. the helicopter view would give a great image of that.

i'll try and think of how to pose the question and include some drawings to help out.

bluefish86 · Posted: Feb 28, 2004 6:42 pm Post subject:

When doing a progressive edge, you're not increasing the board's angle to the wake. Your progressively adding more pressure to keep it at the initial angle you set it at.

bluefish86 · Posted: Feb 28, 2004 7:05 pm Post subject:

Here's a diagram I drew of a cut towards the wake. I calculated the angles exactly for a physics project, but I've forgotten them now so these angles are very rough.

I drew a line parallel to the direction of the boat. I also drew a perpendicular to that line. You can see the wake makes an angle of about 30º with the direction of movement of the boat. During a hard cut, you're coming in at about 45º to the perpendicular. That makes an angle of about 15º between you and the wake. So, you're actually a lot closer to riding along the wake then you are to crossing it perpendiculary.

Does this answer your question?

Edit: btw, if you're viewing a video from a helicopter, the angles would appear to be different then they actually are because the helicopter would be moving at the same speed as the boat.

Fredrick Eisenhauer · Posted: Feb 28, 2004 7:16 pm Post subject:

bluefish86, I've seen something you are suggesting been done. Sort of. A dude was looking for trick tips to post on his site and asked some people to do it, and they supplied video and there tips and posted them tips. It worked pretty good.

Wicked Bite · Outlaw Joined: 18 Jan 2003 Posts: 115 City: Germantown

vip20882000, so what is the website that this "dude" made?

bluefish86 · Posted: Feb 28, 2004 7:35 pm Post subject:

vip20882000, yeah, that's what I was thinking. We'd make some tip videos with many angles and a voice-over, and have Pat post them with the trick tips on the main page.

What sport was that guy's page about?

jeffrey_25 · Addict Joined: 05 Oct 2003 Posts: 811

bluefish86,

bluefish86 · Posted: Feb 28, 2004 8:20 pm Post subject:

That's true. You make a gradual turn to set an angle, then increase pressure to keep that angle.

Fredrick Eisenhauer · Posted: Feb 28, 2004 8:50 pm Post subject:

bluefish86, it was about skateboarding, focused on freestyle mainly. I reckon it would be a good idea. I mean, it might reduce the amount of posts in the trick tips forum.

Wicked Bite, do you think I'm making this dude up? If you must know it is www.bobstricktips.com.

darty · Addict Joined: 18 Mar 2003 Posts: 522 City: Lexington

jeff - wait 'til summer rolls around and I'll do my best to hook you up w/ that heli-shot. I reside in what is known as "Helicopter Cove" for about half of my summer...& you guessed it...there's helicopters there! If i can come up with the right equipment (i.e. way to plug the feed into my computer), I'd be more than happy to do this...just have to figure out all the tech. stuff w/ camera>>computer.

darty

ben746 · Addict Joined: 04 Aug 2003 Posts: 560

that would be sick man

jeffrey_25 · Addict Joined: 05 Oct 2003 Posts: 811

darty, you be the hero for so many people on this site. It seems like the biggest problem with wake jumping is the edge so it would be insanely helpful.

darty · Addict Joined: 18 Mar 2003 Posts: 522 City: Lexington

haha...not quite a hero bud. I'd def be more than happy to it...like i said, I just have to get the camera>>computer deal worked out. I can probably find someone with a digital camera though...if not I can @ least take some pics.

Give me another month & a half or so & i'll hook some people up...

peace

salmon_tacos · Posted: Mar 04, 2004 9:04 am Post subject:

Wouldn't it be a lot cheaper and maybe easier to shoot from a parasail instead of a helicopter? I could see the helicopter being good for shooting a pro movie because it could hover when the rider crashed but for an instructional video, where a pro or advanced rider is showing moves with which they are comfortable, it seems like the parasail would keep the costs in check without much of a downside.

darty · Addict Joined: 18 Mar 2003 Posts: 522 City: Lexington

the thing about the helicopter is that you can easily change the angle at which you look at the rider....i.e. straight over, in front of, behind, to the side...etc...all while hovering or moving forward. i just have access to the heli's so i thought i may try and work it out sometime...

salmon_tacos · Posted: Mar 05, 2004 4:26 pm Post subject:

darty,

Will people just fly you around in their helicopters for free? I guess I don't see why they wouldn't. If they like to fly, I guess they might as well follow a wakeboarder around. It's just a rare situation, I guess.

darty · Addict Joined: 18 Mar 2003 Posts: 522 City: Lexington

the people are best friends with my parents...& my dad almost has is license too...One guy actually said he would do it last season but we never got around to it.