The Oriental Is NOT a Racist Tricks...read here

marcg · Addict Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Posts: 944 City: Salt Lake City

Ok its official, the Oriental is not a racist trick.

Yes the term is offensive when used as an enthnonym (AKA: The name of a people or ethnic group).....if it is not being used as an enthnonym then it is not considered offensive in this case it is merely the name given to a trick.

Per the Dictionary definition of "Oriental" and its discussion of Oriental in the offensive manner:

Oriental should not be thought of as an ethnic slur to be avoided in all situations. As with Asiatic, its use other than as an ethnonym, in phrases such as Oriental cuisine or Oriental medicine, is not usually considered objectionable.

Here is the whole section on Oriental and the offensive term:

Usage Note: Asian is now strongly preferred in place of Oriental for persons native to Asia or descended from an Asian people. The usual objection to Orientalmeaning “eastern”is that it identifies Asian countries and peoples in terms of their location relative to Europe. However, this objection is not generally made of other Eurocentric terms such as Near and Middle Eastern. The real problem with Oriental is more likely its connotations stemming from an earlier era when Europeans viewed the regions east of the Mediterranean as exotic lands full of romance and intrigue, the home of despotic empires and inscrutable customs. At the least these associations can give Oriental a dated feel, and as a noun in contemporary contexts (as in the first Oriental to be elected from the district) it is now widely taken to be offensive. However, Oriental should not be thought of as an ethnic slur to be avoided in all situations. As with Asiatic, its use other than as an ethnonym, in phrases such as Oriental cuisine or Oriental medicine, is not usually considered objectionable.

chubby · Soul Rider Joined: 13 Jan 2003 Posts: 487 City: NC

THANK YOU.....whew

Jim M · Wakeboarder.com Freak Joined: 17 Jan 2003 Posts: 2933

So does this mean we cant call it Charlie from now on? I already finalized the recall of a few WBM issues.

marcg · Addict Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Posts: 944 City: Salt Lake City

The recalls can be stopped.

Fauker · Soul Rider Joined: 20 Jan 2003 Posts: 471 City: Charlotte

thanks for clearing that up... Rolling Eyes

bigfoot0922 · Outlaw Joined: 15 Aug 2003 Posts: 212 City: Belmont

thanks for making a thread about this

Guest · Posted: Oct 17, 2003 6:14 pm Post subject:

Here is the key line of that, thank you for proving my point.

" it is now widely taken to be offensive."

So the dictionary says it SHOULD NOT be taken as offensive, yet it is. Is the dictionary the "sensei of people's feelings"? No, it's not. So if it's widely taken to be offensive, then it's a cause for concern in a trick name.

scott a · Ladies Man Joined: 13 Jan 2003 Posts: 9810

i find the word "sensei" to be offensive. can you please remove it from your name? i realize that all people dont feel the same way as i do, but i take great offense to the word, so if you would kindly change your name that would be nice.
thank you.

Guest · Posted: Oct 17, 2003 6:19 pm Post subject:

scott, you and I both know that is stupid.

scott a · Ladies Man Joined: 13 Jan 2003 Posts: 9810

Sensei, im serious. the word sensei is offending to me. please change it.

Guest · Posted: Oct 17, 2003 6:27 pm Post subject:

scott a · Ladies Man Joined: 13 Jan 2003 Posts: 9810

Sensei, why not? i find it offensive.

Guest · Posted: Oct 17, 2003 6:31 pm Post subject:

There is an old saying I was taught by my sensei:

"Because."

scott a · Ladies Man Joined: 13 Jan 2003 Posts: 9810

Sensei, i would appreciate it if you didnt use the word sensei. your cooperation would be greatly appreciated.

ontrider · Ladies Man Joined: 30 Jul 2003 Posts: 16491 City: Russia

scott a, this guy has 37 posts and a post rating of -73 Laugh

I have been meditating and I have come to the conclusion that the best thing for all of us to do is from this moment forward, disregard the existance of 'sensei' and ignore his posts.

bizzuck · Addict Joined: 12 Jan 2003 Posts: 593

i find sensei offensive as well plz remove it from your name.

Ocean Rider · Wakeboarder.Commie Joined: 24 Jun 2003 Posts: 1597

i find sensei and mr. miji or wat ever there names are affensive and are gaylords and i third that motion from chubby,

Tyler*Moore · Guest

Sensei, you could to and ORIENTAL anyways...tha only thing oriental you know is your SHOE size...if you know what i mean Twisted Evil

andrew james · Addict Joined: 10 Jul 2003 Posts: 889 City: austin, tx

So if i call someone Oriental i'm a rascist? Rolling Eyes

Is the white male the only person on this planet people are allowed to talk stuff about?

ORIGINryder · Posted: Oct 19, 2003 10:44 am Post subject:

who gives a stuff let him put whatever he wants on his name. if u dont like it ignore it.
haha i agree with andrew james

Guest · Posted: Oct 19, 2003 9:28 pm Post subject:

I recently read the rules of these message boards, and I see that many of you are in direct violation of those. Rules are like respect. If you break the rules, your respect will be broken. Therefore, I've lost respect for some of you.

Fredrick Eisenhauer · Posted: Oct 19, 2003 11:55 pm Post subject:

Sensei, you are right but if pat was gonna ban any one who broke these rules, most of us would be booted. But people Pat cant boot Sensei because he hasnt done anything wrong, he doesnt swear, insult any of you therefore he cant be banned. I dont care what you mob say sensei is one of the funniest dudes here i say he stays Very Happy

graphik · Addict Joined: 20 Feb 2003 Posts: 727 City: miller lake

I guess you have to laugh it off. ... I thinkn eventually he'll get bored and take off. I guess there are not enough Karate forums out there.

Leggester · Posted: Oct 20, 2003 7:00 am Post subject:

Hmmm, yes, good opints about respect. Perhaps you should adhere to them.

Respect is also earned - not given. What have you done to earn it?

kerriokie · Outlaw Joined: 18 Jul 2003 Posts: 231 City: Cincinnati

Leggester - are you directing that question to Sensei? He's the only one preaching about respect.

Leggester · Posted: Oct 20, 2003 11:44 am Post subject:

Yep, they were directed at him. I can't honor him with that name though.

It needs to be earned.

kerriokie · Outlaw Joined: 18 Jul 2003 Posts: 231 City: Cincinnati

Agreed!

luckysloan777 · Outlaw Joined: 27 Aug 2003 Posts: 225 City: ptown

First of all if these asian american (is that politically correct enough) friends of yours get pissed off at you for doing a wakeboarding trick then they are not friends and are pretty gay if you ask me. Second of all i agree with what andrew james said. White guys, wait hold on i would rather be called european american, and ridiculed just as much as anybody else. So i think everyone should just relax about name calling, they are just words.

andrew james · Addict Joined: 10 Jul 2003 Posts: 889 City: austin, tx

That's not what i meant. Everyone gets ridiculed, but white people are the only people who aren't allowed to throw a fit about it.

luckysloan777 · Outlaw Joined: 27 Aug 2003 Posts: 225 City: ptown

yeh well thats basically what i ment too, i just forgot to say it.
But i still got my point across
i think

Heeter 84 · Posted: Oct 20, 2003 5:14 pm Post subject: