Your description of a deepwater start

newbwaker · Newbie Joined: 11 Jun 2003 Posts: 3

ive read one online but its all scattered around and unclear.. im a first timer can you give me a step-by-step description of your deepwater start and anything i need to know immediately after I get up.. i like all points of view so everyone who will give me the way you do it. or just a link to a good online guide

bluefish86 · Posted: Jun 11, 2003 6:06 pm Post subject:

Here is a good description of what to do to get up: http://www.wakeboard.com.sg/index.php?act=ST&f=22&t=57&s=837a559366c5590c4ae1ba9009e8659d . The main thing to keep in mind is to let the boat do the work for you. Unlike deep water starts on skis or on a slalom ski, you don't have to put much physical effort into it.

If you look around the site(specifically here: http://www.wakeboard.com.sg/index.php?&act=SC&c=8 ), there's also info about equipment and wakeboarding terminology.

Partyb · Posted: Jun 12, 2003 6:08 pm Post subject:

I would agree bluefish that what you told the newbie was what he was looking for.

But for the newbie, a deepwater start is something different, you just wanna get up. Deepwater starts are when you start pretty much standing up and the board is way under water. Wakeskaters do it mostly. See SNAP video.

HungJ22 · Newbie Joined: 20 Jun 2003 Posts: 25

forget all that information when i first got out i looked at all the info scatterd on the internet on how to get up. i spent 23 times tryin to get up then i just cleared my mind forget all that crap and just turned my board and stand up( you probably wont get up your first time but keep learning from your mistakes) you have to clear your mind and just go for it

lr1000t · Posted: Jun 26, 2003 3:10 pm Post subject:

I wanted to reply to this one because my buddies and I learned by ourselves with a borrowed board about a decade ago. This is probably not "the" way, but it worked for us. I'll give the long version also.

We had all be slalom skiing for a long time, so we thought you had to start with the board facing ahead like a ski. We had one heck of a time trying to balance lying on our side and holding the rope with one hand and the board with our other. We would make it up once in a while, but not very well. What we ended up learning is similar to the link and post above, but maybe even easier.

This might depend on your boat and body size. We were all string bean teenagers so it didn't take much. We could pull up slalom behind a jetski, to give you an example. Anyway, sit in the water just like you would sit on the dock when you put your bindings on, with the board and both feet staight in front of you. (Note: not with one knee between your arms like the link, let the rope lie across your board between your feet.) When the boat started to pull we straightened our legs against the force and it would pull us right up. Then we just turned forewards and were off.

The boards now are shorter, but almost twice as wide as when I learned. I don't know if anyone remembers, but these boards were right after skurfers and were uni-directional. Anyway, I think it is even easier with the boards out now. Try this if you get a chance. There are surely other ways and probably better ones, but this worked for me when I was learning (a long, long time ago).

johnny · Outlaw Joined: 20 May 2003 Posts: 109 City: Myrtle Beach

Let your butt slide forwards towards your heels, and once the board rises above the water turn your front foot towards the boat and keep the nose out of the water Just think "Keep the board in front of me" and dont let your self get pulled over the top of your board. Once you get on top the water, remember to stand up straight and dont lean over your toes, keep the weight on your back foot and let go with your back hand, this will help you track straight through the water. The board will feel loose at first but just relax and feel it out.

deathflamingo · Outlaw Joined: 11 Jun 2003 Posts: 177 City: Yankton

I got up my 2nd try ever doing it the way that jonny described..

Stephan · Guest

My brother learned last week, he's 10 and got up first try and rode for like 100 yards. He then proceeded to ride around for like ten minutes. My little prodigy, big brother(me) couldn't be more proud!! Be like Phil Jackson, become the Zen master.

Mythodikal · Posted: Jun 27, 2003 4:31 pm Post subject:

hey just strap that bad boy on and get out in the water .... get into the squated position like your bout to take a crap in the woods ... and just hang on ... tell em to go slow and it shoudl pull u right up if u stay like that ... dont worry bout gettin turned to the boat really quick just wait and u cant wait to long cause u could really ride like that all day if u really wanted to ... that helped me visualize it the best ... best description I ever heard ne one give me helped me get ever one I taught up on the 1st or 2nd try

chuck · Outlaw Joined: 22 Apr 2003 Posts: 170 City: Arlington Wa

just GRIP IT AND RIP IT!!!!!!!!

ohhhthathurt · Newbie Joined: 15 May 2003 Posts: 13 City: Right Here!

Something I made the mistake of doing when I was first learning was assuming since this board was so much bigger than a ski that it would pull harder coming out. I told the driver just to keep hammering it.........nearly lost my arms and kept going over the board. About the fourth of fifth time he decided to take it easy coming out and I popped right up.

I liked lr100t's explanation the best. That's basically what works for me. I gotta say, though, don't over think it. Just try and keep the bottom of the board between you and the boat as you're coming up and don't try to stand up too early. Keep the rope handle down by your front foot with your knees bent until you start to come up and let the boat do the work.

I've seen people come up in the ski position with their toes pointing forward, but I think it pulls a little harder that way and if you do get up........it hurts a lot if you catch that front edge before getting the board turned. Just keep trying it.......you'll get it in time..........and you'll never be the same.

J_DOGG · Posted: Jul 01, 2003 8:34 am Post subject:

I might get stuff for telling people this but....

Funny, I balance the board under me, yes submerged in the water like I'm standing on it. yes it takes balance but when the boat pulls you up it putt's less strain on your back and guess what you are already standing in the riding position so you pop up super fast.

We do not let people that ride with us do the Wally start (board floating in front of you while lying on back like dead whale).. in the inner-circle's of wakeboarding that is extremely un-cool and is one of the first things we try to stop people from doing. If they suck they suck but we keep them working on it.

Trust me it helps with board control all around, how do you think you get up on a wakeskate.

tWaker2 · Soul Rider Joined: 12 Jul 2003 Posts: 375 City: Gilroy, CA

that has to be the dumbest thing i have ever heard. the "inner circle of wakeboading". in other words you and your boyfriend? gimme a break, if you were good you would just do it the harder way, and quit being a sissy bout your back.

MinnDizzyG · Posted: Jul 18, 2003 4:04 am Post subject:

Hey tWaker2 - -
It's all good, man. J DOGG knows his shiznat, though. He's always giving good advice, so go easy.

J DOGG - so, are your knees bent at all or are you seriously stand-up vertical when you start? I'm going boarding for 9 days straight tonight, & I want to get this start right cause I think it's probably easier than the board-in-front-of-you one. Tiffanator was talking about your type of start too in another thread - I'll see if I can find it.

J_DOGG · Posted: Jul 18, 2003 6:09 am Post subject:

The "inner circle" as in people that know how to wakeboard dumb A$$... stick with the Wally start bro I wouldn't want you to get confused on the water tryn something new.

I must be a pansy then cuz I do it the easy way.

MINNDIZZYG- knees are bent slightly, basically you are just balancing on the board while it is submerged in the water directly under you, it's not hard at all give it a go.

midwesty · Posted: Jul 18, 2003 6:12 am Post subject:

J DOGG

can you show us some pics...this idea makes no sense to me ....i must be thinking of something totally different then what you are saying

MinnDizzyG · Posted: Jul 18, 2003 6:37 am Post subject:

J DOGG - Thanks, man, I will try it. I'm positive I'll get it, but what I really want to learn it for is so that I can teach it to my wife. She has a terrible time getting up - she can do it, but not easily at all. Plus, next week I've got 8 people coming to my cabin, only one or two of whom can actually get up on the board. Hopefully, this start will help some of them. Thanks again!

J_DOGG · Posted: Jul 18, 2003 6:49 am Post subject:

Tiffanator is part of the "inner circle" that's why she knows what's up...

MinnDizzyG · Posted: Jul 18, 2003 7:02 am Post subject:

J_DOGG · Posted: Jul 18, 2003 9:02 am Post subject:

Sorry I don't have pics of me getting ready to get up, I'll try to get some this weekend purely for educational purposes.

Think about the position you are in when you are just treading water, all arms with feet sunk, Now just strap a board to the feet and that's basically the same position, the only thing above the water line should be your head and the handle.

Some people find balancing over the board hard but once you get the feel it is easy as pie. I would say this might be a slightly more advanced way of getting up mainly cuz you need to balance over the board, the actual pull from the boat is a lot less and you pop up and on plane in a blink of an eye.

heartofbullets · Outlaw Joined: 10 Jul 2003 Posts: 223 City: FL

I don't understand why some of you are talking like J DOGG's way is so strange. It's not the most common way now, but it is becoming that, it's the way all the pros get up. Seriously watch a video like Free4all or BoomBox, they get up that way.

King of the Tigers · Posted: Jul 20, 2003 8:34 am Post subject:

I get up like JDOGG but don't neccessarily thinks it's a much easier way. (now that I think about it it is more comfortable though.) For newbies it's harder that way because they don't know about board stance and how the board will handle so go with the beginner way.
I think one thing that lots of new people do is think they have to keep part of the board above water. You don't. In fact due to some people's inability to point their toes (!?!) they bulldoze unless it's a little under.
One other thing I've found works great is to jump in with them if they're having problems so you can make sure their body position is alright. Stick a red flag in your life jacket though if you're the teacher!
(oh, and make sure their arms are stright and not pulling in.)

BoardinDan · Posted: Jul 20, 2003 2:12 pm Post subject:

anyone have tips for a 6'2" 250+ guy? its my dad he cant get up and i feel so bad Sad

i know if he can get up just once he will know how to do it from then on

criminally_minded · Posted: Jul 21, 2003 1:40 am Post subject:

JDOGG's way is how we all learned, and personally I think its the best way, although I hardly do it anymore because I got lazy and also coming up planning allows easier access to the switch position.

We try to teach that way, then if they are not getting anywhere, we revert to the easier 'dead whale' approach.

Go JDOGG!

King of the Tigers · Posted: Jul 21, 2003 10:36 am Post subject:

HEy Boardin Dan, I once got a guy up that matches your Dad's description. i have no clue what your dad may be doing wrong but this guy kept pulling in the handle like that was the only way up. I jumped in the water with him and mostly kept his elbows locked more than anything. He finally got it though. Try jumping in with your dad to make sure his body is in the right position etc. Sometimes you have to pull on people's waists sometimes you have to point the board for them but usually once they get up they cando it on their own.

J_DOGG · Posted: Jul 21, 2003 11:38 am Post subject:

Thanks for backing me up guys, I didn't think it was that hard of a concept...

Unfortunately I didn't get any pics of me getting up this weekend.
I was mainly messing around with my wake and the landlock, those are faster than surf boards that's for sure.

heartofbullets · Outlaw Joined: 10 Jul 2003 Posts: 223 City: FL