buying 1st V w/$45-50K budget, suggestions?

calair03 · Posted: Jun 20, 2003 3:47 pm Post subject:

King of the Tigers,
Sorry man!. I could probably get you a really good deal on one but they probably won't give you much for your trade.

lr1000t · Posted: Jul 01, 2003 3:13 pm Post subject:

I haven't looked at the Calabria boats, but we looked at Moombas, Mastercrafts, Nautiques, and Tiges and we are getting the Tige 20V. The Moombas seems to be a great boats and you could probably cut $10-20K off your budget if you wanted. I guess it depends on how often you will be out, how long you want to finance the boat, and if this will be your final purchase. And if you still want to spend $50K.

Check out the Tiges. Someone mentioned a couple features, like wider beams than most and heavier without added ballast. There are some decent reviews of most of the boats mentioned at www.wakeboardboattest.com, but the best thing is to drive or ride with them and see what works for you. Good luck.

hlboatsnboards · Criminal Joined: 11 Feb 2003 Posts: 93

Who cares really!?!?! He bought the boat that works for him....Calabria is WAY under rated, and some of us know that. I wish people would take the time to seriously crawl around in some of the boats around. Giving my occupation I have somewhat of an advantage to looking at other boats. But keep it coming, I love boat wars!!!

arthropod88 · Outlaw Joined: 21 May 2003 Posts: 210 City: Birmingham

Yeah I love SAN, but I tell you Calabria really has my attention.

Funkster · Posted: Jul 02, 2003 9:51 am Post subject:

Pheaton wrote: "martasban, No match for an Air is right. The Pro-V has minimal bow rise, a bigger wake, more room, best ballast system, drives better and is a custom hand built boat. Test drive the others and you will be back to the Pro-V."

I have 3 question's for you.

1. bigger wake compared what???
2. best ballast system compared to what??? Don't tell me it is the most weight stock from any boat company becuase I already know that. I want a better reason!!
3. drives better compared to what????

calair03 · Posted: Jul 02, 2003 12:42 pm Post subject:

Compare it to anything for any of your questions. No one ever wants to compare apples to apples. It is always, "The wake on my old Ski nautique 2001 with 5 sacks is bigger than your boat with factory ballast". Sure that may be correct but lets compare them both unweighted or with factory weight. Let's call the Pro-v wake "tiny with no shape", and then lets compare it to a VLX both unweighted. Is the VLX wake "tiny with no shape"?. I must admit that the VLX is a very,very nice boat and I am sure that the wake is kickin if the boat was sacked out but with just factory weight, the Pro-V wake feels like it is twice the size. How do you explain that Funk?

xxxl wake · Outlaw Joined: 19 Mar 2003 Posts: 138 City: Nor- Cal

Cal air- Funk will not say anything good about the Cal air because it is not a SAN just follow all of his prior posts. A CC fan will never admit there's a better boat out there.They just cant seem to be able to. It is like some sort of sickness

Phaeton · Addict Joined: 12 Jan 2003 Posts: 572 City: Redding

Funkster,
1. Wider I new I would get someone on that. haha

2. Fastest to fill and empty.

3. Limited bow rise and drives like a D-drive.

4. There is no comparison to SN. The Pro-V is just a better boat. Come to NWWF and see for yourself.

htownbdr · Posted: Jul 02, 2003 2:27 pm Post subject:

Who here rides behind their boat with no extra weight??? I sure don't. If you do ride behind those boats in the picture with no extra weight and the wake like that, I will take my SAN with extra weight any day.

I really do not see how an argument saying that it has the biggest wake stock (which I disagree with) has any bearing on the wake it throws after being weighted.

If you are going to say that because it has the biggest weight stock, it obviously will have the biggest weight once you add the same amount of weight as you would to another boat...That is definately not true.

I think martasban summed it up perfectly a long time ago:

htownbdr · Posted: Jul 02, 2003 2:34 pm Post subject:

BTW -
1. If you want a wider wake, let the rope out. I have rode up to 85' and the wake is still not curling. Only got better.

2. Don't know if that is true or not. Don't really care about the difference between 3 and 5 minutes to fill the tanks. I am not in that big of a hurry.

3. New 226 has 4" of bow rise...fully weighted or stock.

4. I agree with you here. Ther is no comparison to a SAN.

Phaeton · Addict Joined: 12 Jan 2003 Posts: 572 City: Redding

htownbdr, you've been in a Pro-V? Then how can you compare!

Chas · Criminal Joined: 24 Jun 2003 Posts: 79 City: Stockton

Pro V tanks fill in a matter of seconds not Mins, boat is sick. No pumps, all gravity feed while boat is under way. Boat is a monster and does kick up a huge wake, extra lbs or not.

htownbdr · Posted: Jul 02, 2003 4:55 pm Post subject:

Pheaton - No, I have not been in one. They are so popular they don't sell them anywhere in the vicinity of my location.

How can I compare?...Research.

Just because I have never driven a Ferrari, doesn't mean I don't know that it would whoop a Corvette in handling and top speed.

I am not trying to rag on you or Calabria. The only reason I replied was because I was shocked by how your comments were so naive. I am refering to the comment that said they are the best this and best that. I would expect that from a teenager. But, usually by adulthood, people understand that there are "different strokes for different folks". And, that, no matter how good you are or what you have, there is always someone that is better or has more.

I don't really feel like a flame war. There is nothing you can say that will convince me that Calabria's are better than a SAN and nothing I can say that will convince you SAN's are better than Calabria's. To each his own.

I am glad you are happy with your new pruchase.

Funkster · Posted: Jul 02, 2003 4:58 pm Post subject:

Ok to set the record straight I like a few other boats other than CC. I like the mastercraft x-2 and malibu wakesetter. Those wake's weighted are what I would consider "Nice wakes". I'am not a "brand lover". I could care less about the name on the side of the boat. I don't care if I can fit 20 people in my "wakeboard boat". I dont care how long it take's to fill up my ballast. All I care about is the wake. That's why this sport is called wakeboarding. If I want to party and fit 20 people on my boat that is when we bust out the pary barge. Point blank, the Pro V is a nice boat with lots of room and is a good "do everything" family type of boat. It is no where near the top 3 as a true wakeboard boat....period!! It's kinda funny how you pro calibria lover's talk about "why don't you try another boat out" when you call your wakes "huge" that make's me think that you have never even been behind another boat. If you call that wake "huge" your scale is way off!!!

Phaeton · Addict Joined: 12 Jan 2003 Posts: 572 City: Redding

htownbdr, Read what Funkster, say's and you will see why I get frustrated. There are a lot of really nice boats out there. Weighted correctly they almost ALL throw nice big wakes. To say that a SAN is the best is crazy. It has no room. Of course it throws a big wake because of it's narrowness.

Funkster, we have had this conversation before. For you it is all about the wake and nothing else. For others its the stoke of the sport. Please show me this top three boat thing you are talking about. Sales has nothing to do with it or we would all have Bayliners. BTW I beleive Skiers Choice has just bumped out SN so the top three in wakeboard boat sales would be BU, MC and Skiers Choice.

jumalian · Ladies Man Joined: 12 Jan 2003 Posts: 7625 City: san diego

But, as far as the Best Overall Boat, the Top 3 remains...

Correct Craft
Malibu
Mastercraft

Period.

Funkster · Posted: Jul 02, 2003 5:37 pm Post subject:

Phaeton,dude I like you as a bro but your facts on wake's are way out of pocket. You wrote " Weighted correctly they almost ALL throw nice big wakes". That is so not true and that make's me think that you have not even been behind most "wakeboard" boats or you would not state that. Your def of a "nice big wake" is way different than mine. If you can honestly prove that your wake is bigger than a X-2,vlx,SAN than Iam a pro-v fan. I have seen your wake vid and I tell you it is not even close to a mobe v's wake. I really dont care what the sale's say becuase that doesnt mean jack. We are trying to get one of are friend's to bring there SAN TE to NWWF and then you can ride behind both boats and tell me what wake you like better.

BTW,just ask anyone in the crew about my stoke..they will tell you!!!

htownbdr · Posted: Jul 02, 2003 5:40 pm Post subject:

Pheaton, I think you are missing my point. I never said SAN was best.

My point was that to say ANY boat is best is crazy. That is the whole reason I got in this thread in the first place.

There is a different "best" boat for everyone's specific needs. With my specific needs, in my opinion, a SAN is best FOR ME. Room??? It is a wakeboard boat. I am not looking for room. It has more than enough for me and my crew.

If I had a family and kids, I would probably feel differently and have a different "best" boat for my needs.

Funkster · Posted: Jul 02, 2003 5:42 pm Post subject:

With that said,the best wakeboard boat for my level is a SAN. For your level, a pro-v!!

Phaeton · Addict Joined: 12 Jan 2003 Posts: 572 City: Redding

htownbdr, The reason I got into this thread was because it was stated that the Pro-V was no match compared to an SAN as far as wakeboarding goes. I guess it all depends on what everyones idea of wakeboarding is. Maybe you guy's don't take anybody new out and try to spread the stoke or you would know what it is like to fill and unfil the ballast. Or maybe you just throw the rope and say "here ya go" sink or swim. How nice.

Funkster, That was just a sample of the wake with the factory ballast with my friends riding at 80'. Of course the wake will get much bigger never did I state that was the end of the line. As you know this week the rest of the stereo stuff got installed which added a whole bunch of weight. We will see how it is then go from there.

jumalian, Prove it and were is the Sanger you always rave about. Rotting somewhere.

hlboatsnboards · Criminal Joined: 11 Feb 2003 Posts: 93

Wait till people see the new 04 Calabria V-Drive (unamed), word is that the boat is simply SICK!!!! August we hope!!

Calabria = Underated, under estimated, umtouched by competition.

jumalian · Ladies Man Joined: 12 Jan 2003 Posts: 7625 City: san diego

Prove it? Just ask around. Do you see the Pro-V pulling the Pro Tour? There's 2 reasons why they're not.

1. Calabria hasn't/won't pay the money to do it.
2. The pros won't choose a Pro-V over a SAN/MC/Malibu.

Where is Sanger? On my list, it's above your boat.

Like Funkster, for my level, I prefer the Super Air/MC/Malibu, and even Sanger. If all I wanted to do was party and/or do hs jumps all day, I'd get a Pro-V/Supra Launch SSV/Centurion.

Keep puttin' down the Sanger/SAN/MC/Malibu. It's cool. If it makes you feel better about your purchase, cool. I'm glad it helps.

htownbdr · Posted: Jul 03, 2003 5:34 am Post subject:

calair03 · Posted: Jul 03, 2003 9:18 am Post subject:

Funkster · Posted: Jul 03, 2003 9:37 am Post subject:

Htownbdr, Well put!! The biggest beef they have about other boat's (moslty the SAN) is the interior room and the storage room. Who want's to wait for 8 people to take run's anyway's. Thanks for the invite but I dont no if you want to ride with us, Iam sure we have NO stoke.....hahahaha... Mr. Green

Phaeton wrote:"The reason I got into this thread was because it was stated that the Pro-V was no match compared to an SAN as far as wakeboarding goes". Well its not..period. The only reason I got into this thread is because you stated that the pro v wake was bigger than a SAN. That is just not true. The pro V wake is no where near the shape or size compared to a SAN,vlx,x-2 or even a mobe V for that matter. The Pro V is no match for the big 3 as far as a true "wakeboard" boat. The Pro V is a family "do it all" type of boat. Like the guy stated that started this thread "its good enough to pull my kids around on the tube"!!! I'am not dogging your boat at all,just dont state facts without riding behind all the "real wakeboard" boats out there. If you have,then you wouldnt have made the statement's that you did!!!

htownbdr · Posted: Jul 03, 2003 10:07 am Post subject:

Don't worry about the stoke. I, apparantly, don't care about that either.

Forewarning: You must be prepared for me to throw you the rope and say "sink or swim".

Oh, also, once you do manage to get up...Don't fall because I can't keep getting on and off plain due to the massive bowrise.

Funkster · Posted: Jul 03, 2003 10:14 am Post subject:

Htownbdr,hahaha....lmao!!! That was a good one bro!!!

jumalian · Ladies Man Joined: 12 Jan 2003 Posts: 7625 City: san diego

HAHA!!! You guys are hilarious!

calair03 · Posted: Jul 03, 2003 11:18 am Post subject:

We all know that factory ballast is not enough and I doubt that sales people would try that. It is more like the sales person pushing them away from Calabria and into a SAN so the sales person could make more money off of the overpriced SAN.

jumalian · Ladies Man Joined: 12 Jan 2003 Posts: 7625 City: san diego

You doubt that salespeople do that? HAHA! Okaaaay! And the world's a perfect place, too! HAHA!

hlboatsnboards · Criminal Joined: 11 Feb 2003 Posts: 93

With all do repsect, and I am definately stickin my neck out here on this one. There are some serious arseholes on this thread. Not naming names, just stating what I feel.

On the flip side...I have ridden behind a lot of boats, and definately been behind the ones mentioned in this thread other then the sanger. The ProV DOES match up just fine with all other WAKEBOARD boats. So can anyone please tell me why a SAN is so ridiculously priced and so small in size? That boat is no better then any other. I like the Calabria's for way to many reasons to mention. I stand behind them and truly believe a lot of people are missing out on what the boat has to offer. Once again, that is just what I feel.

There are entirely to many variables to compare wake size/shape by arguing over the internet. Not even sure if there is even a true way to do it in person. Its just not comparing apples for apples. You cannot weight down every boat the same and get equal results. I have had a ProV and weighted properly the boat throws a monster wake...compared to ANY boat.

htownbdr · Posted: Jul 03, 2003 1:04 pm Post subject:

With all do repsect...Whether you admit it or not, you opinion is obviously biased. Look at your signature.

Am I not to believe that if you sold SAN's that you wouldn't be on the opposite side of the fence?

Since Calabira's are cheaper than SAN's, don't you think I would have bought one of them if I thought it fit my needs better. The price difference between the two would have definately paid for shipping.

BTW - It is not the size of the boat that matters...It is the performance.

Back to my original point. Everyone has their own specific needs for a boat that makes that particular boat the best boat FOR THEM. A SAN fits MY NEEDS best.

On a side note...Yes, I would definitely say you are sticking you neck out there by your comment. I do not feel Calabria would appreciate their boats being portrayed like that from one of their representatives. Can you imagine what would be done to a Chevy dealership if every time their salespeople couldn't convince a prospective customer that a Chevy was better than a Ford, they called them an arsehole?

calair03 · Posted: Jul 03, 2003 1:28 pm Post subject:

htownbdr, Did you try one? I can tell that you didn't if you got the SAN. Very Happy

htownbdr · Posted: Jul 03, 2003 1:42 pm Post subject:

Calair03 - See previous posts.

Here, let me help:

King of the Tigers · Posted: Jul 03, 2003 2:01 pm Post subject:

Nice one Ht, but I think comparing Nautiques to Calabrias is more like comparing Ferraris to Ford Escorts, respectively.