Bill Nye debates Ken Ham

Okie Boarder · Ladies Man Joined: 03 Mar 2008 Posts: 10056 City: Edmond

I heard about this last night and I'm just starting to watch it. Anyone already watch it? Thoughts?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6kgvhG3AkI

jt09 · Ladies Man Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Posts: 22083 City: Austin

Okie Boarder · Ladies Man Joined: 03 Mar 2008 Posts: 10056 City: Edmond

It was an interesting debate. It seemed to me that Nye bounced around on a lot of different pieces of an overall thought, rather than focusing in on a few key elements. Seems like Ham did a better job of narrowing the scope of his points to try to answer the key question. Ham trued to evangelize too much rather than just discussing the facts of his research.

The point about inaccuracy of dating/aging caught my attention. I also was intrigued by the kind versus species points.

chavez · RIP MHL 04/25/1958 - 01/11/2006

Okie Boarder, there is no slicing this any other way. What jt09 posted is BANG ON TRUTH.

Any deviation from that means the person debating that "viewpoint" is this guy:

There is ZERO middle ground.

GnarShredd · Posted: Feb 06, 2014 8:06 am Post subject:

While I appreciate the attention being drawn to the matter, I don't like legitimizing people like Ham.

Okie Boarder · Ladies Man Joined: 03 Mar 2008 Posts: 10056 City: Edmond

So, evidence is not fact? That's your claim?

chavez · RIP MHL 04/25/1958 - 01/11/2006

Fact: my unicorn god farts rainbows. What? You say I just made that ish up?

How dare you insult my beliefs. Rolling Eyes

Okie Boarder · Ladies Man Joined: 03 Mar 2008 Posts: 10056 City: Edmond

So that's a yes? Or a no? Can't quite tell.

wakeboarderdave1 · Posted: Feb 06, 2014 11:19 am Post subject:

chavez · RIP MHL 04/25/1958 - 01/11/2006

There is no evidence to support Ham's claims. There is an overwheming amount of evidence to support Nye's.

I just wrapped up praying to the FSM. He manifested himself and I was touched by his noodly appendage. He then told me that HE created the earth yesterday and history is an illusion he created. He told me to pray in the name of the pasta, the sauce, and the holy meatball. Ramen.

Okie Boarder · Ladies Man Joined: 03 Mar 2008 Posts: 10056 City: Edmond

So, your answer is no. Evidence = fact as far as you are concerned.

Okie Boarder · Ladies Man Joined: 03 Mar 2008 Posts: 10056 City: Edmond

There is plenty of evidence that supports the notion that creation is a reasonable theory. There is also plenty of evidence that supports other accounts in the Bible. I don't see where a person can assert that there is no evidence. It seemed to me that Ham touches on a few of those that he and his colleagues have studied, and he answered the question of the debate with enough information to back up a claim that creation is a viable option.

I can't say I agree that evidence = fact. I think it can lead one to believe that they have discovered a reasonable theory.

This whole notion that the matter of origins is settled and any other theories are rejected seems quite closed minded and doesn't seem very "scientific".

eeven73 · Posted: Feb 06, 2014 2:02 pm Post subject:

Guys, Groundhog Day was earlier this week.

Okie Boarder · Ladies Man Joined: 03 Mar 2008 Posts: 10056 City: Edmond

I agree...I wasn't intent on rehashing the same argument we've had many times. I've said what I wanted to say and I'll leave it at that.

chavez · RIP MHL 04/25/1958 - 01/11/2006

Okie Boarder, there is no more evidence of creation than there is of my grandfather actually pulling a nickel out of my ear.

eeven73, why you gotta mess up troll feeding time? Mad

jt09 · Ladies Man Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Posts: 22083 City: Austin

jt09 · Ladies Man Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Posts: 22083 City: Austin

i do love me some creationists though!

Okie Boarder · Ladies Man Joined: 03 Mar 2008 Posts: 10056 City: Edmond

jt09, chavez, did you watch the debate and/or have you read about the claims Ham or other creationists have made along with their supporting arguments?

RampageWake · Posted: Feb 06, 2014 3:51 pm Post subject:

God = Believe, then see.

Everything else = See, then believe.

Chad H · Posted: Feb 06, 2014 3:51 pm Post subject:

The problem with this whole damn argument is that the majority of creationists don't have a Bubb Rubbing clue what the evolution theory entails. Now when you compare that with anyone arguing for evolution, it's funny because everyone knows their side.

Funny thing about all this, the Pope has no problems with evolution besides the big bang aspect. And if you can't at least believe that, you need to go take a few college classes in biology and evolution.

"Currently, I see in Germany, but also in the United States, a somewhat fierce debate raging between so-called "creationism" and evolutionism, presented as though they were mutually exclusive alternatives: those who believe in the Creator would not be able to conceive of evolution, and those who instead support evolution would have to exclude God. This antithesis is absurd because, on the one hand, there are so many scientific proofs in favour of evolution which appears to be a reality we can see and which enriches our knowledge of life and being as such. But on the other, the doctrine of evolution does not answer every query, especially the great philosophical question: where does everything come from? And how did everything start which ultimately led to man? I believe this is of the utmost importance."-Pope Benedict XVI

Here's some more information, coming straight from a college level Evolution and Systematics class

I highlight few important parts on that last one Laughing

Just one more thing to add, I'd LOVE for someone to actually prove the theory wrong. I mean, it'd completely change every bit of biology on the earth. It'd be groundbreaking. The guy would win the nobel prize instantly if the research was true. If someone could prove evolution wrong, they'd be bigger than Darwin.

Okie Boarder · Ladies Man Joined: 03 Mar 2008 Posts: 10056 City: Edmond

By the way, jt, I love the particular images you selected and which ones you ignored. It's easy to shape a viewpoint when you exclude that which doesn't fit the image you are trying to portray.

Okie Boarder · Ladies Man Joined: 03 Mar 2008 Posts: 10056 City: Edmond

jt09 · Ladies Man Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Posts: 22083 City: Austin

Okie Boarder · Ladies Man Joined: 03 Mar 2008 Posts: 10056 City: Edmond

So, if someone has a different theory than yours, they aren't worth your time? How open minded and tolerant of you.

jt09 · Ladies Man Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Posts: 22083 City: Austin

only if the theory is ridiculous and impossible. keep believing in your fairly tale.

Okie Boarder · Ladies Man Joined: 03 Mar 2008 Posts: 10056 City: Edmond

Ridiculous and impossible? Like magic? Something from nothing? That kind of ridiculous and impossible?

E.J. · Ladies Man Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 7597 City: Mogadishu

I'd give my $.02, but I have 23 pregnancies to terminate tomorrow and then need to make a few 2nd Amendment Sandwich Boards to wear at the rally. We'll catch up at the vacation planning meeting, Mecca is going to be phuckin awesome!!!

P.S. Bonus points for anyone that can pinpoint how many sets of (2) animals I can get on my SAN when the big flood comes. (Clamshell will be filled with food and water, 3 adults & the LO)... (3 dogs, both mine are male...make that 4[assuming you choose dogs], they are neutered)

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wakeboarderdave1 · Posted: Feb 07, 2014 5:37 am Post subject:

Okie Boarder · Ladies Man Joined: 03 Mar 2008 Posts: 10056 City: Edmond

jt09 · Ladies Man Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Posts: 22083 City: Austin

Okie Boarder · Ladies Man Joined: 03 Mar 2008 Posts: 10056 City: Edmond

Okie Boarder · Ladies Man Joined: 03 Mar 2008 Posts: 10056 City: Edmond

The bottom line is, Ham and Nye debated to try to show their position and answer the question about what is a viable explanation for origins of life.

I think Ham made a good case that creation is a viable option.

Y'all think there is no way creation is a viable option...it's just a fairy tale.

Does that pretty much sum it up?

Okie Boarder · Ladies Man Joined: 03 Mar 2008 Posts: 10056 City: Edmond

Okie Boarder · Ladies Man Joined: 03 Mar 2008 Posts: 10056 City: Edmond

jt09, we can both play the "post a meme" game to try to attack the other person's position. You say you don't believe in magic or fairy tales?

How do you explain the big bang theory without magic?