Net neutrality

Okie Boarder · Ladies Man Joined: 03 Mar 2008 Posts: 10056 City: Edmond

Does this bother anyone? This make the hairs on the back of my neck stand up.

jgriffith · Posted: Jan 16, 2014 4:20 am Post subject:

Im confused, now you want more regulation?

wakeboarderdave1 · Posted: Jan 16, 2014 5:45 am Post subject:

This is most likely going to end up being a major blow to anyone that wants to cut the cord with traditional TV. I can see ISP's throttling or charging you a premium to use sites like Netflix, Youtube, Hulu, etc in the near future.

GnarShredd · Posted: Jan 16, 2014 6:27 am Post subject:

chavez · RIP MHL 04/25/1958 - 01/11/2006

Net Neutrality is not "dead". It will get it's day in SCOTUS.

That said:

The federal judge(s) who struck this down are f*cking morons. They cited GOOGLE FIBER as a sign that there is competition in this marketplace. GOOGLE FIBER - you know, the ISP that's in what, 2 extremely limited markets? Yeah, good call your honor, let's use one of the smallest ISP's in the country as an example of how consumers have choices. Rolling Eyes

At most right now I have 2 choices for land based ISP. That is not competition. You can't have competition in markets where there are no competitors (read: almost the entire f*cking USA).

If this holds up, and VZW, Comcast, etc start throttling users en masse, my guess is that Google will throw whatever it takes behind Fiber and get it rolled out everywhere they can as fast as they can. You want to kill the goose that layed the golden egg Verizon/Comcast/TWC? I DARE YOU.

chavez · RIP MHL 04/25/1958 - 01/11/2006

FWIW, I saw a great analogy the other day (I'll paraphrase):

"Hi Amazon, Comcast here. Yeah, uhh, so if you guys want to sell stuff to people who are on our ISP we want a cut. So, from now on, you need to pay us 2% of all sales, or we will block your sites. *ring ring* Oh hello Netflix. Yeah thanks for calling us back. If your customers want to stream over our ISP, we want 25% of their subscription fees. Go what myself? OK then, you're blocked until you give us 50% of the fee and kiss my ass, literally. Good luck with that. Xfinity rulez NutFlax drools. SUCKERS."

eeven73 · Posted: Jan 16, 2014 8:07 am Post subject:

Anecdotally, Comcast has the worst customer service experience I have ever been involved with. Combined with there we don't give a Bubb Rubb attitude in regards to distribution of there broadcast products(at least in PDX), I would have to agree it would only be a matter of when till they started some serious stuff.

wakeboarderdave1 · Posted: Jan 16, 2014 8:12 am Post subject:

I think everyone has that opinion about their ISP.

eeven73 · Posted: Jan 16, 2014 8:15 am Post subject:

They WERE my ISP. Not anymore, but only because I moved.

I don't have anywhere near the problems with current provider.

chavez · RIP MHL 04/25/1958 - 01/11/2006

eeven73, the only division of Comcast I've had a good experience with is their Business Class division. They have been really good across the board. Night and day from what I've experienced with their consumer divisions.

eeven73 · Posted: Jan 16, 2014 8:18 am Post subject:

chavez,

Thats funny, I told them no when they bid our business acct because of my experience with the rest of the company. Laughing

jt09 · Ladies Man Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Posts: 22083 City: Austin

chavez · RIP MHL 04/25/1958 - 01/11/2006

chavez · RIP MHL 04/25/1958 - 01/11/2006

Okie Boarder · Ladies Man Joined: 03 Mar 2008 Posts: 10056 City: Edmond

eeven73 · Posted: Jan 16, 2014 9:26 am Post subject:

It was a couple years ago now, but our current IP provider called with a preemptive strike to discount there service because Comcast was in the area cutting price. So we got the price and didn't have to change.

Comcast was very competative but I wasn't willing to risk system problems like I had experienced at my residence with our work system. Days and weeks without service(BS solutions and waiting) would be catastrophic. I didn't care what they said about different division etc. too much risk.

pet575 · Posted: Jan 16, 2014 9:38 am Post subject:

I'm not a regular HuffPost reader and I refuse to put a lot of stock in "news" reports with headlines about "Why you should freak out about....." It usually follows that some sensational speculation is about to take place in order to justify the headline.

While this IS entirely possible, I don't see it lasting very long if an ISP wants to take the speculated steps. Outside of the FCC regulation, I can see the sites like Netflix, Hulu, Pornhub, etc. filing antitrust litigation against ISPs engaging in this conduct relatively quickly to put a halt to it. This practice would constitute both a vertical and a horizontal restraint of trade that violate long-standing antitrust laws to protect against this type of thing.

Partyb · Posted: Jan 16, 2014 9:42 am Post subject:

everything makes the hair on your neck stand up

jgriffith · Posted: Jan 16, 2014 9:51 am Post subject:

chavez · RIP MHL 04/25/1958 - 01/11/2006

The benefit I had was the ability to watch them actually pull the cable in and oversee the building installation. Pretty impressed by their overall attention to detail. Might have been due to me watching but it all is very clean and very solid.

We haven't had an issue so I can't speak to their problem solving abilities, but given how stout the initial install is, I can't imagine we will have many problems during our contract period.

wakeboarderdave1 · Posted: Jan 16, 2014 9:53 am Post subject:

I don't really have a problem with the ISP's (that I've dealt) customer service, it's more about delivering the speed that I'm paying for.

chavez · RIP MHL 04/25/1958 - 01/11/2006

ChrisG · Posted: Jan 16, 2014 10:13 am Post subject:

chavez · RIP MHL 04/25/1958 - 01/11/2006

wakeboarderdave1, not a problem here:

Work (Comcast Business, 27/10)

Home (SureWest FIOS, 16/16)

PS: I was wrong about home. It's 16/16 symmetrical. Obviously they have the pipe open wider.

ChrisG · Posted: Jan 16, 2014 10:54 am Post subject:

chavez - that's an incredible upload speed for home. I have ATT U-Verse (fiber optic) and I'll be lucky if I hit 2Mb/sec.

Okie Boarder · Ladies Man Joined: 03 Mar 2008 Posts: 10056 City: Edmond

wakeboarderdave1 · Posted: Jan 16, 2014 12:50 pm Post subject:

Chavez, you live close to a major city. I live out in the sticks!

chavez · RIP MHL 04/25/1958 - 01/11/2006

wakeboarderdave1, people think Sacramento is full of cowbells. Nevermind the 2 million + that live in the general area. Laughing

That said, my ISP is the local phone company. They used to be called Roseville Telephone Company before getting bought by Surewest Communications (who also serves KC if I understand it correctly). They are highly localized for the most part - when I call customer servix I am usually talking to one of my neighbors instead of Ranjit.... errr.. "Dave".

They were smart enough to drop fiber in all newly constructed areas post 2001. My office building was under construction in 2000, so it just missed. But my house was built in 2002 - BAM! Fingers in the Internet. Twisted Evil

Broccoli B · Posted: Jan 17, 2014 5:51 am Post subject:

I was reading about this last night, and now can't find the article. Anyways, it was saying that the judge was forced to overturn this because a of a 1996 law that didn't include the internet as an "essential" service to the public, like telephone was. Back in 96 everyone was dialing into the internet and cable internet was in its infancy.

chavez · RIP MHL 04/25/1958 - 01/11/2006

Broccoli B, basically yes. ISPs are not considered "common carriers". If they were the ruling would likely have been different.

Obviously times have changed. It will be interesting to see if the FCC plays that card, or if congress takes action to reclassify them.

pet575 · Posted: Jan 21, 2014 1:58 pm Post subject:

wakeboarderdave1 · Posted: Feb 03, 2014 6:40 am Post subject:

www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/att-mobility-patent-bad-for-net-neutrality/