Print and Shoot

Okie Boarder · Ladies Man Joined: 03 Mar 2008 Posts: 10056 City: Edmond

An interesting article on the 3D printed gun with some Q&A. Thoughts on what Cody Wilson has done, or people being able to "print" their own guns?

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2418761,00.asp

Nor*Cal · Ladies Man Joined: 12 Jan 2003 Posts: 9479 City: Sac

The guy is not a great advocate for the cause he is trying to lead, IMO.

That said, a CNC is cheaper than the 3D printers he is using and you will have a better outcome. Home gunsmithing is a hobby for many people, he's just opening it to the "maker" world.

Nor*Cal · Ladies Man Joined: 12 Jan 2003 Posts: 9479 City: Sac

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/national/2013/05/state-department-defense-distributed-3d-printed-gun-plans/65075/

jryoung · Ladies Man Joined: 19 Mar 2004 Posts: 7664 City: Man Jose

Looks like Senator Lee has worked himself up into a frothy ferver already.

http://www.sfexaminer.com/local/crime/2013/05/sen-leland-yee-wants-ban-3-d-guns

Nor*Cal · Ladies Man Joined: 12 Jan 2003 Posts: 9479 City: Sac

jryoung, I caught that. He made a public statement about intent to legislate a ban on 3d printed guns within 12 hours of the defcad announcing the download.

jryoung · Ladies Man Joined: 19 Mar 2004 Posts: 7664 City: Man Jose

I'd love to see the SVLG weigh in on this. I'm guessing there are a few companies down here interested/using/developing/dependent on 3D printing.

GnarShredd · Posted: May 10, 2013 5:25 am Post subject:

3d printing will be a world-changing technology once it develops. They're already doing some crazy things but it's in its infancy.

The torrent and filesharing sites are going crazy right now. Thousands of people are downloading it just because the State Department said they couldn't.

It's going to be an interesting thing to see how this type of thing develops. In order to control what is printed they have to control the flow of information, which the internet does not like.

nmballa · Posted: May 10, 2013 5:35 am Post subject:

Nor Cal, spot on. With a shop bot, a latbe and a day I could easily build a firearm from metal or plastic. We are only speaking a few thousand investment. Don't really see the groundbreaking nature of this.

GnarShredd · Posted: May 10, 2013 6:25 am Post subject:

nmballa, You need a certain level of skill to construct a gun by hand. With a 3d printer you just need to have the ability to download a file and press print. I agree with you though, it shouldn't matter.

Okie Boarder · Ladies Man Joined: 03 Mar 2008 Posts: 10056 City: Edmond

The making of weapons is certainly nothing new, but making them this way is where the difference comes in, like GnarShredd pointed out. I agree that he may not be helping the cause the way he is going about this. I'm wondering if the overreactions will continue or die off.

jgriffith · Posted: May 10, 2013 6:37 am Post subject:

Zero chance that this method or any other method of making guns will not be banned or heavily regulated soon.

jgriffith · Posted: May 10, 2013 6:39 am Post subject:

Nor*Cal, I am clueless about gunsmithing or "CNC"? You can make your own guns? Don't have to register them or anything?

I'm shocked that this is legal

jgriffith · Posted: May 10, 2013 6:42 am Post subject:

vette74 · Posted: May 10, 2013 6:44 am Post subject:

jgriffith, Nope it is perfectly legal to make your own gun you don't have to register them. However you are not allowed to sell the gun.

jgriffith · Posted: May 10, 2013 6:46 am Post subject:

vette74 · Posted: May 10, 2013 6:54 am Post subject:

jgriffith, Why is it different than a firearm I buy at Academy?

jgriffith · Posted: May 10, 2013 6:56 am Post subject:

vette74 · Posted: May 10, 2013 12:32 pm Post subject:

OK then what is the difference than buying one on craigslist you don't need a background check to get one of those and that bill just got shot down this month.

Nor*Cal · Ladies Man Joined: 12 Jan 2003 Posts: 9479 City: Sac

jgriffith, as vette74 stated, Federal law and ATF regulations allow you to build legal firearms without a FFL if the gun meets all existing laws (can't be class 3, zip gun, ects...) for personal use. The gun cannot be built with the intention of transferring or selling it.

I have an AR15 lower that I milled out on a cnc. Hoping to add a few more in different calibers and I have some 80% 1911 frames coming my way as well.

The debate on 3D printing comes with regards to untraceable gun laws.

Personally I'd prefer a CNC and metal over a 3D printer and plastic.

jgriffith · Posted: May 10, 2013 1:11 pm Post subject:

vette74, im not saying it should be illegal, im just surprised. I am generally against regulation

Nor*Cal · Ladies Man Joined: 12 Jan 2003 Posts: 9479 City: Sac

nmballa · Posted: May 10, 2013 6:14 pm Post subject:

scott a · Ladies Man Joined: 13 Jan 2003 Posts: 9810

Well, here we go...

fish6942 · Addict Joined: 22 Feb 2006 Posts: 603

We have a couple of high-end 3D printers here at work. We've made some "neato" parts like working Crescent wrenches and such. However, there is no way that I'd ever fire a gun made with parts from one of these machines. The limits on materials and tolerances are just too high.

jgriffith · Posted: May 13, 2013 6:13 am Post subject:

GnarShredd · Posted: May 13, 2013 6:53 am Post subject:

I'll have to dig it up but I read somewhere that this design can only be fired once, then it's too damaged to fire safely again.

jryoung · Ladies Man Joined: 19 Mar 2004 Posts: 7664 City: Man Jose

Senator Yee better ban shovels too.

http://thebrigade.thechive.com/2012/12/06/diy-shovel-to-ak-47-50-photos/

Okie Boarder · Ladies Man Joined: 03 Mar 2008 Posts: 10056 City: Edmond

I'm seeing some interesting reactions to this technology, like folks never realized weapons could be made at home before. In addition, there is a reaction that we need to shore up all these possible ways weapons can be made in some sort of attempt to protect ourselves. LOL!

fish6942 · Addict Joined: 22 Feb 2006 Posts: 603

I'd be MUCH more concerned about the impact to public safety from home-made bombs rather than a cobbled together "gun" made from 3D printed parts.

GnarShredd · Posted: May 15, 2013 6:26 am Post subject:

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GnarShredd · Posted: May 15, 2013 7:41 am Post subject:

STPHNSN23, Guess, I wasn't clear, that's what most of my post was about. But I do think that the majority of the legislature can be more easily influenced since they may be out of touch with fast-moving tech and the farther reaching implications about what they're passing.

Nor*Cal · Ladies Man Joined: 12 Jan 2003 Posts: 9479 City: Sac

http://gunssavelives.net/blog/uk-reporters-print-3d-gun-smuggle-into-in-france-breaking-numerous-laws-write-hit-piece/

Smuggle the 3D handgun from the UK to France to demonstrate how nefarious this technology is...

WAIT... They didn't include any of the metal parts needed to make it an operational gun and would also make it detectable when going through security. More integrity of the press...

jgriffith · Posted: May 15, 2013 9:41 am Post subject:

That's a scary thought that people can so easily smuggle non-operational pieces of a gun across international borders.

Okie Boarder · Ladies Man Joined: 03 Mar 2008 Posts: 10056 City: Edmond

Nor*Cal, LOL! It certainly wouldn't catch anyone's attention and get the response they were looking for if they did it correctly.

jgriffith, what is so scary about that?

Edit: Or is my sarcasm meter broken?