Posted: Sep 01, 2012 6:23 pm Post subject: Wake Jumps Advice (Vid)
Yea i am trying to go wake to wake but i am not making it for some reason. Sometimes balance, sometimes idk. Can you point me in the right direction. This was all shot in one day. IMO it started to feel better later on in the vid, but i was also getting tired too. and sorry ahead of time for some reason i couldn't get deshaker working right.
Keep the handle down and close to your body, otherwise it will start pulling you out the front into a faceplant when you start jumping.
Then just make sure you push off the wake, and edge all the way through. You want to have your legs straight when you come off the wake, so they don't absorb the wake. But you do not want to come off edge as you stand up.
Also it looks like you would benefit from putting your fins back on.
Also it looks like you would benefit from putting your fins back on.
Can i ask what you see that makes you say that? The only reason i have them off is i read it makes you learn proper edging and last time i tried to do a 180, i thought the fins caused it. but i will put them back on and see. they are like 1.7".
Edit: it has molded in fins, but i have the centers out _________________ Reserved for future
if it has molded fins, you're fine. your not making it cause your not edging hard enough at all. simple as that. you're easing it onto the wake, kinda like steering towards it and jumping a bit. you want to build up a progressive edge which ends way harder then you're doing now. work on edging harder first and you'll be fine!
Last edited by da Liks on Sep 02, 2012 9:57 pm; edited 1 time in total
If you are comfortable without them, then you can leave them off. You are using your edge to cut in rather than steering the board towards the wake and letting it track that direction, so you are good there. The fins will probably give you a bit more bite when you are cutting in though.
You do not need much speed at all to clear the wake. A good edge and body position are what is going to let you clear it easy and get some pop. You can cut in fast as hell and you will clear it, but if you do that at this point you are going to struggle to get any height.
Next time you go out try a few attempts first by only starting out about 5 feet from the wake. Build a strong edge, with the handle low and in, and work on popping off the wake with your legs. The point of this is to just get a good feel for popping off the wake, without all of the speed and worrying about clearing the second wake. When you are comfortable with that and getting good pop, go back to a full cut.
So that standing tall/push off when i hit the wake is gonna help counter that buck i get when i hit the wake. That buck seems to be the uncomfortable/limiting factor mentally that makes me second guess hitting it any harder. This is my first board sport so i dont have much experience with the BAM upward buck feeling. _________________ Reserved for future
jamespjackson95, i really don't think edging almost perpendicular to the boat is the way to go for beginners. way too many beginners first attempting to jump wake to wake do to by speed, charging thru the first wake hoping that they'll make it to the other side. i myself have gone thru this and have learned the hard way.
the angle is enough (i mean where the board is pointing towards). but you'll want to lean more and more onto your heels as you come in towards the wake - the idea is to gradually build tension in the rope. i'll explain why in a bit.
as you can see in your video, when you hit the wake your body stays at the same height while your body 'sucks' up the board from hitting the wake. you'd want to actually STAND TALL while keeping your heel edge as you hit the wake. it's the same idea as a trampoline, the straighter your body/legs are when you land on the trampoline, the higher it pushes you up. you're using the heelside edge of your board hitting the wake to creating that upward energy, you stand tall at the wake so your body harnesses the upward energy and turn it into upward motion. the tension in the rope then sling you towards the opposite wake (it also helps pull you upwards if your technique is correct).
Another piece of advise...watch a few instructional video clips on HS W2W jumps...you'll see how to do the progressive edge.
One tip that helped me with arm position was to try to pin my elbows to my side as I approached.
For the progressive edge I was taught kind of a 1-2-3 method as you approach the wake. You start with a 1 edge (failrly weak edge) and make sure you're at a 3 (strong edge) right as you get to the wake.
Those two things done correctly yield amazingly different results. You'll pop in the air and glide across almostg effortlessly. _________________ If love is blind, why is lingerie so popular?
So that standing tall/push off when i hit the wake is gonna help counter that buck i get when i hit the wake. That buck seems to be the uncomfortable/limiting factor mentally that makes me second guess hitting it any harder. This is my first board sport so i dont have much experience with the BAM upward buck feeling.
If you do it right you actually will get a bit more of a bucking feeling, but it allows you to slow down your approach and makes it more comfortable. It is what is going to generate the upward movement. Like Ediotism said you don't want to learn W2W jumps by using speed to clear it. Speed without getting much height is what will make jumps uncomfortable. Also as you start learning tricks, like 180s wake to wake, you want the better hang time without a lot of tension.
If you do it right you actually will get a bit more of a bucking feeling, but it allows you to slow down your approach and makes it more comfortable. It is what is going to generate the upward movement. Like Ediotism said you don't want to learn W2W jumps by using speed to clear it. Speed without getting much height is what will make jumps uncomfortable. Also as you start learning tricks, like 180s wake to wake, you want the better hang time without a lot of tension.
IMO This is correct. If your feeling like the buck is pulling you off balance your not in the right body/rope position.
Try edging all the way through the wake absorbing the wake with only your knees. Try this over and over until you feel comfortable doing this at higher rates of speed. Once you can do this without coming off your edge at all. Then start extending you legs at the wake to jump. I think what you will find is you letting the rope out at the wake. I can not really see the rest of your body position. Compare your body position to others to get that set correctly.
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Posted: Sep 04, 2012 11:25 am Post subject:
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matt1808 wrote:
IMO This is correct. If your feeling like the buck is pulling you off balance your not in the right body/rope position..... I think what you will find is you letting the rope out at the wake.
You have a lot to work on, beginning with edging harder, but THIS^^^ is very important for your comfort level with that "buck." Until you keep the rope low near your hip you will always get this and your first thought will be that you're going to get pulled over on your face once you catch some air.
Solid edging also helps with this because it will help sort of slingshot you off of the wake and into the air at a speed that is a little faster than the boat is going. When you do a nice, progressive, edge up the wake that super line tension goes away. _________________
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Progressive edge is important, but looking at your video the most obvious fault is that your knees are very bent when you leave the wake. Until you sort that you won't get much pop.
Edging harder will just intimidate you more and you'll stay crouched. My advice is to go wide and just set a gentle edge towards the wake aiming to cross at about 45 - 60 degrees (not 90). Pin your elbows to your side and keep your chest up. When you start going up the wake push off with your heels so that you are extended.as you leave it. This will give you a high, floaty pop. Initially, it may not get you W2W but once you are confident that you can stand tall you can add more edge and or leg push and you'll have it sorted. Remember to keep those elbows pinned. _________________ I'll probably type something really witty here eventually
So i tried some more. This time i sped the boat up to 22.5MPH rode at 75' just practicing one wake jumps again. Actually at that speed the wake is much cleaner and more rampy then steep at that far back. But i think i found my limiting factor: Looking down. When i started practicing my jumps only fixing my eyes on the back of the boat, i had better balance better confidence and the "buck" didnt feel so bad (might be in part combination to the speed/rope change too). Gonna try and go out on Wed and ill take more vid. _________________ Reserved for future
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