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Neognosis Ladies Man


Joined: 13 Jan 2003 Posts: 17617 City: Webster
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Posted: Jan 25, 2012 11:37 am Post subject: Lobbyists? |
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http://www.examiner.com/political-buzz-in-providence/petition-calls-on-white-house-to-investigate-chris-dodd-s-alleged-sopa-bribery
This is part of what taints (heh) my opinion of lobbyists.
I've been told by our resident lobbyist that those in his profession are honorable people who only want to explain issues to lawmakers so that they can make good decisions, and that they try to do so with the utmost integrity.
Ok, I can't go head to head with someone IN that profession while I am just an outsider looking in and not liking what I see.
But this is what I see. Tell me how this is just the media unjustly vilifying lobbying? And how this lobbyist is just trying to "explain his side of the issue so that the best decision can be made?"
| Quote: | | Candidly, those who count on quote 'Hollywood' for support need to understand that this industry is watching very carefully who's going to stand up for them when their job is at stake," Dodd told Fox News. |
| Quote: | | "Don't ask me to write a check for you when you think your job is at risk and then don't pay any attention to me when my job is at stake," added Dodd. |
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/entertainmentnewsbuzz/2012/01/mpaa-dodd-warns-washington-not-let-internet-pirates-sink-pipa-sopa.html
Sounds a bit like the idea that I have that lobbyists function as the go-between for the corporations that purchase our representatives. I've been told that this in no way happens, and that it's all made up by the media.
How do Dodd's comments back this up? _________________ I walk 47 miles of barb wire, I got a cobra snake for a necktie, a brand new house up on the road side, and it's made out of rattlesnake hide |
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Nor*Cal Ladies Man


Joined: 12 Jan 2003 Posts: 9479 City: Sac
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Posted: Jan 25, 2012 11:58 am Post subject: |
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Because the media has assigned him a title of lobbyist whereas I cannot find his name in the registrar for lobbying disclosures, meaning he was a consultant illegally lobbying.
http://disclosures.house.gov/lc/lcsearch.aspx
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http://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/lookup.php?type=l&q=Chris+Dodd
You try to find him, I couldn't.
So once again, the media has conflated bad actors who have skirted legal requirements as a lobbyist, whereas a lobbyist is someone who is registered in a Federal or State registry in order to perform the functions of their job with full disclosure and with public scrutiny. _________________ If I agreed with you we would both be wrong. |
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Neognosis Ladies Man


Joined: 13 Jan 2003 Posts: 17617 City: Webster
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Posted: Jan 25, 2012 12:04 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Because the media has assigned him a title of lobbyist whereas I cannot find his name in the registrar for lobbying disclosures, meaning he was a consultant illegally lobbying. |
Isn't that convenient!
Here, lobby for us, we'll just not say you're our lobbyist.
Either that, or Chris Dodd just LOVES SOPA and Hollywood and has just decided to make this his personal crusade.
This sounds like "hey, you want one of these discounted televisions? Stolen? Of course not, it just fell off a truck!"
I would imagine that a former Senator would be aware that he was lobbying and not just consulting.
But he DID say that he wouldn't become a lobbyist when he left office... I guess I didn't notice the wink wink... nudge nudge...
So let me get this straight... a person who draws a paycheck from an organization and goes and meets with and addresses privately or publicly government representatives and tries to sway them to the viewpoint of his employers is a consultant, and NOT a lobbyist, UNLESS he registers as a lobbyist...
Man, for a group of PR people who spend your professional lives trying to convince people of things, you sure have SUCKY PR. _________________ I walk 47 miles of barb wire, I got a cobra snake for a necktie, a brand new house up on the road side, and it's made out of rattlesnake hide |
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Neognosis Ladies Man


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Posted: Jan 25, 2012 12:11 pm Post subject: |
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Man, I have found at least 10 articles calling Dodd a "Lobbyist."
This man is going to be able to retire after raking in all the money from the libel lawsuits. _________________ I walk 47 miles of barb wire, I got a cobra snake for a necktie, a brand new house up on the road side, and it's made out of rattlesnake hide |
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Nor*Cal Ladies Man


Joined: 12 Jan 2003 Posts: 9479 City: Sac
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Posted: Jan 25, 2012 12:11 pm Post subject: |
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Actually he's the Chairman and CEO of the MPAA and is making statements on behalf of his membership. He is most definitely not a lobbyist. These statements are from someone who controls a PAC and in doing so has gotten himself into some trouble publicly and should lead to legal action, which is appropriate and needed to prevent people like him from overstepping the legal boundaries created. _________________ If I agreed with you we would both be wrong. |
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Nor*Cal Ladies Man


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Posted: Jan 25, 2012 12:15 pm Post subject: |
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Lobbyists do not do PR and what Dodd did, if he was meeting with members of Congress and not just making public statements is a violation of the law especially if money was involved. _________________ If I agreed with you we would both be wrong. |
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Neognosis Ladies Man


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Posted: Jan 25, 2012 12:19 pm Post subject: |
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It won't lead to any legal action against Dodd, believe me, because it would open up a can of worms that would further expose the whole corrupt bundle of siht we call a government for the people and by the people.
How does one get to be CEO and chariman of the Motion Picture Association of America?
Surely one must have some experience in the motion picture industry, right?
Oh, wait. Dodd had none. He was just a senator.
I guess they hired him because he REALLY knows a lot about movies....
Maybe the things Nor*Cal says about lobbyists IS true... if and when they are registered lobbyists.
I guess companies and industries get around this by hiring ex gov't people to be CEOs and board members.
I guess we need a new name for this. If it acts like a lobbyist, gets paid to perform the duties of a lobbyist, but isn't a registered lobbyist, maybe we can call them "Pseudo-lobbyist" and that way we can all understand what is really going on.
It's THIS type of stuff that has to stop. If being a registered lobbyist stops you from being able to do this kind of skullduggery, then I'm clearly not talking about registered lobbyists. Just people lobbying but who aren't "lobbyists." _________________ I walk 47 miles of barb wire, I got a cobra snake for a necktie, a brand new house up on the road side, and it's made out of rattlesnake hide |
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Nor*Cal Ladies Man


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Posted: Jan 25, 2012 12:33 pm Post subject: |
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And that's what the Federal Regulation of Lobbying Act and in California the Fair Political Practices Act are all about. Just like we require Contractors to have licenses, and all those other legally defined and licensed career fields. You can call a handy man a contractor because you signed a contract with him but that doesn't make him a contractor nor does it make his work legal under the law.
CEO's are picked for all kinds of reasons, doesn't necessarily have to do with their experience in that specific field. He's the head of a professional organization that does lobby. However, he is not registered so he is legally limited in what he can do. If he did step beyond those boundaries legal action should be taken.
And since when is what you read in the press the full truth? _________________ If I agreed with you we would both be wrong. |
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Neognosis Ladies Man


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Posted: Jan 25, 2012 12:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | And that's what the Federal Regulation of Lobbying Act and in California the Fair Political Practices Act are all about. |
Hooray!
So it's not REAL lobbyists that I apparently think poison the system, but people being paid and "lobbying" without any oversight.
| Quote: | | He's the head of a professional organization that does lobby. |
Geeezus F'ing Krist....
| Quote: | | And since when is what you read in the press the full truth? |
Well, I got a lot of it from Fox, and they are fair and balanced, so....
How much of this goes on where the perpetrators are just smart enough to not say these things TO THE PRESS?
I build things and do custom cabinets and decks and home improvement.. but I"m not a registered contractor... so I'm not a contractor.
I don't think you can really fix this with a law. And we shouldn't need to. People should simply refuse to accept this on any level. But we will, and we do... _________________ I walk 47 miles of barb wire, I got a cobra snake for a necktie, a brand new house up on the road side, and it's made out of rattlesnake hide |
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ohsix PityDaFool Who Posts This Much

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Posted: Jan 25, 2012 1:06 pm Post subject: Re: Lobbyists? |
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| cameraboy wrote: | | I've been told by our resident lobbyist that those in his profession are honorable people who only want to explain issues to lawmakers with a slant that favors their clients' positions so that they can make good decisions that favor their clients' positions, and that they try to do so with the utmost integrity. |
FIFY
Lobbyists are people with political connections hired by other people/entities to affect policy in the people/entities' favor.
In many cases of policy making, there are lobbyists representing opposite sides of an issue, sometimes in direct opposition. How can both sides be "explaining issues so that they can make good decisions" while lobbying for opposing decisions? |
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Nor*Cal Ladies Man


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Posted: Jan 25, 2012 1:08 pm Post subject: |
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| cameraboy wrote: | | Quote: | | And that's what the Federal Regulation of Lobbying Act and in California the Fair Political Practices Act are all about. |
Hooray!
So it's not REAL lobbyists that I apparently think poison the system, but people being paid and "lobbying" without any oversight.
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People who are breaking the law. Let's be clear about that. This is NOT legal activity if the articles are correct. Lobbyist is a statutorily defined term with legal precedent. If they do not fit that legal definition they are NOT a lobbyist.
| Quote: | | Quote: | | He's the head of a professional organization that does lobby. |
Geeezus F'ing Krist.... |
Everyone is represented. I don't understand why that's so hard to believe. I'm sure whoever you work for is a part of a professional organization that has a lobbyist. Why do you think things like Chambers of Commerce or Labor Unions collect dues? It's not to help people of common interests associate with each other. It's to help convey the message of the organization to the political powers that change policies that might affect these people with common interests.
| Quote: | | Well, I got a lot of it from Fox, and they are fair and balanced, so.... |
CNN, NBC, ABC, MSNBC and FOX, ect, ect, ect, are to news what the WWF is to olympic wrestling.
| Quote: | | How much of this goes on where the perpetrators are just smart enough to not say these things TO THE PRESS? |
I don't know. I could see his lobbyist bringing him in on a limited basis like committee testimony, but there is no way in HELL, you would let someone say something about money in your presence.
| Quote: | | I build things and do custom cabinets and decks and home improvement.. but I"m not a registered contractor... so I'm not a contractor. |
And depending on the costs of those services you could be in violation of the law that requires licensed contractors to adhere to certain laws and regulations, provide certain levels of insurance and so that increase the costs to those who follow the law. Just because there is law doesn't mean people always follow it but I'm sure you don't see your handyman work as illegal or illicit, but depending on the circumstances it might be. _________________ If I agreed with you we would both be wrong. |
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Neognosis Ladies Man


Joined: 13 Jan 2003 Posts: 17617 City: Webster
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Posted: Jan 25, 2012 3:32 pm Post subject: |
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Then, by what Nor*cal has told me, it's not registered lobbyists that I have the big problem with.
And the following disgusts me, and supports the impression I have about who our "representatives" really work for.
| Quote: | | Don’t ask me to write a check for you when you think your job is at risk and then don’t pay any attention to me when my job is at stake. … |
_________________ I walk 47 miles of barb wire, I got a cobra snake for a necktie, a brand new house up on the road side, and it's made out of rattlesnake hide |
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Nor*Cal Ladies Man


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Posted: Jan 25, 2012 4:00 pm Post subject: |
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| cameraboy wrote: | And the following disgusts me, and supports the impression I have about who our "representatives" really work for.
| Quote: | | Don’t ask me to write a check for you when you think your job is at risk and then don’t pay any attention to me when my job is at stake. … |
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It disgusts me as well. _________________ If I agreed with you we would both be wrong. |
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