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ABoba Newbie

Joined: 26 Jul 2011 Posts: 12 City: Victoria
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Posted: Jul 26, 2011 9:10 am Post subject: What makes a board better or worse? |
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TLDR; What physical characteristics make one board $200 while another is $800?
I see a lot of threads pushing particular boards and bindings, but it all seems to be based on personal feel.
What makes a board higher quality than another board?
Weight? If so, why do none of the boards list board weight.
Materials? Some of this is mentioned, but there doesn't seem to be a "best" option.
For bindings, weight? materials? other than "one lace" vs "multi-lace/strap" how does this affect performance?
If it's all down to just feel, how can one board go for $200 while another one is $800?
I have a Costco board and bindings(which most would consider crap), but having testing an expensive board, I can't really understand the differences (I'm not doing huge air/inverts yet) |
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TheHebrewHammer Addict

Joined: 03 Dec 2010 Posts: 526
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Posted: Jul 26, 2011 12:28 pm Post subject: Re: What makes a board better or worse? |
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BOARDS:
Yes, weight is huge. Companies don't publish it unless they're gonna claim they have the lightest board (as with the old LF Fly series and Hyperlite Sub VI). They don't want people to know that their boards are heavy.
Boards are using a lot of exotic materials nowadays to make them light, strong, and responsive. It's a genuine selling point, but also an excuse for companies to overcharge you. LF will sell you a board with carbon fibre stringers for $400 and Ronix will sell you a full carbon board for like $450, but Hyperlite will charge you out the ass for their Nova Core. It's great technology, but it's also overpriced.
The best material depends on your needs. If you're hitting obstacles, you need a solid grind base and strong sidewalls. If you're just riding boat, all you need is a board that won't break or lose its structural integrity. If you like flex, you need a flex board. If you're going for more traditional big wake riding behind the boat, you want a stiff ass board, which usually means carbon fibre.
BINDINGS:
Again, weight is important but unpublished. Same reason. Closed toe is more comfortable than OT in almost everyone's opinion, including mine, but it's more expensive and OT can fit more different sizes in the same boot. Do you have multiple people with different foot sizes using your boots? Are you willing to pay for the more comfortable, personal fit of CT?
Stiff bindings are more supportive and give you more control over your board. They protect your ankles at the expense of you knees. Soft bindings protect your knees at the expense of your ankles.
You want a lacing system that is convenient, comfortable, and durable. Again, if you have the money, Hyperlite has awesome technology with the System, which is basically a snowboard binding. But beware: it's stiff as hell, so your knees are at risk. If you're buying a binding with traditional cloth laces, make sure they're thick so that you can crank down on them without snapping them. You can always replace them with shoelaces or laces from other bindings if the stock laces are crap.
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As for your Costco board, get rid of it if you intend to take riding at all seriously and try to progress. "Real" wakeboards are worth the extra money. They'll make you a much better rider in the long run and make wakeboarding a lot more fun. If your budget is tight, just buy used or closeout. There is no reason why you need to spend more than $400 to get a pro model setup from last year if you know where to look. I'm talking about a top-of-the-line package with one of the best boards AND boots ever designed. That said, if you're a beginner, there's no real reason to buy a pro model board. A beginner/intermediate board won't hold you back at all. It will likely make progression easier. These boards are even cheaper. You can probably get an entry level package from last year for about the same as what your Costco board cost. Hope that helps. _________________ rally to the wake |
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GnarShredd Wakeboarder.Commie

Joined: 16 Jun 2009 Posts: 2310 City: St Pete.
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Posted: Jul 26, 2011 12:53 pm Post subject: Re: What makes a board better or worse? |
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| ABoba wrote: | | TLDR; What physical characteristics make one board $200 while another is $800? |
A lot of it is in the quality of materials and construction. A $200 board likely won't last anywhere near as long as an $800 board. They're made with cheaper materials and lower-level, mass production construction techniques. On the opposite end however, I do think that some boards can be overpriced, just like any other product.
| ABoba wrote: | | I see a lot of threads pushing particular boards and bindings, but it all seems to be based on personal feel. |
It really is based on personal preference. I always ask people what their riding style is like, where they'll be riding (cable or boat), and what they're focusing on (rails, wake to wake, cable air tricks, etc.) before recommending a board. Some boards are built to give better performance in certain conditions (for example; extra durable for rails/ramps) so that can have some effect. But a LOT of it comes down to personal preference and each person's needs.
| ABoba wrote: | | What makes a board higher quality than another board? |
See above.
| ABoba wrote: | | Weight? If so, why do none of the boards list board weight. |
Some companies do, some don't. It just depends on the board company and the place you're buying it from. Weight is a deciding factor for some people and can be important (although I don't pay much attention to it personally).
| ABoba wrote: | | Materials? Some of this is mentioned, but there doesn't seem to be a "best" option. |
Because there really isn't a "best" option, at least not difinitively because frankly, nobody knows or seems to care. Unfortunately it's a pretty small industry and nobody wants to spend the time/money/put their reputation on the line to say that one thing is officially better than the other. It's a tough industry to be in if you're not one of the major watersports companies and most people don't want to be the whistleblower in that situation if they want their company to survive. Yeah, it slows down the growth of the sport and it's technology, but unfortunately it's what we have to deal with.
| ABoba wrote: | | For bindings, weight? materials? other than "one lace" vs "multi-lace/strap" how does this affect performance? |
Again, personal preference/what your price range is. Different things matter to different people. I personally really like two laces on the front of the boot. One for the foot and one for the ankle. Not only can I adjust the tightness to what is comfortable for both areas, but it also reduces strain on the laces overall. Think of how much harder you have to pull a single lace that goes all the way down your foot than two smaller laces that only cover specific areas. Materials/construction are also important because boots can go through a lot of stress and they need to be made to hold up well so you don't break your leg/knees/ankles.
| ABoba wrote: | | If it's all down to just feel, how can one board go for $200 while another one is $800? |
See everything above, there's more than feel. Materials, research and development costs, importing, market forces, etc. all working together.
| ABoba wrote: | | I have a Costco board and bindings(which most would consider crap), but having testing an expensive board, I can't really understand the differences (I'm not doing huge air/inverts yet) | Honestly, a cheap board will last you for a while if that's the route you want to go. If you work your way up to tricks like inverts, spins, rails, and coming down from big airs then you're going to want something durable under your feet to catch you. Also, once you reach that point, you will notice HUGE differences between a low-end board and something top of the line. Just remember that not everyone needs (or may ever need) a high-end board to enjoy wakeboarding if they're a casual rider. Personally, I like to get a board that I can grow with.
I still have a deck from 2004 or 2005 that's going strong because it's good quality and I've taken care of it. It was expensive at the time and I remember saving up for a long time to buy it on my meager high-school job salary but that board stuck with me from my first wake to wake 180's, all the way to my first inverts and I still like to hop on it every once in a while. It's hard to believe sometimes but generally you do get what you pay for. |
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ABoba Newbie

Joined: 26 Jul 2011 Posts: 12 City: Victoria
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Posted: Jul 26, 2011 2:19 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for the replies
I will keep my current board for this season, I'm new so it should work for me. If I get better, next season I will upgrade to a used name brand board.
The current board will probably be kept for use by everyone else on the boat until it falls apart. |
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TheHebrewHammer Addict

Joined: 03 Dec 2010 Posts: 526
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Posted: Jul 26, 2011 2:53 pm Post subject: |
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good plan _________________ rally to the wake |
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