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Backroll attempt video. So close im frustrated! advice!?

 
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PostPosted: May 04, 2011 7:52 pm    Post subject: Backroll attempt video. So close im frustrated! advice!? Reply with quote

Sorry I didnt post this in the trick section. Im wanting some feedback before I go ride again saturday! I feel like im so close and all my friends are telling me is to hold on to the rope! The attempt right before this I held on and tweaked the hell out of my knee...felt like I landed wrong..which maybe I did but I actually cleared the wake even further than on this one! any advice would help please...

http://youtu.be/inn0XhILOho
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PostPosted: May 04, 2011 8:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

no rope no hope!
You have pretty much the full rotation, just need to be pulling that rope in and not letting go to use the line tension on your landing.
Also thats a pretty agressive approach for a backroll, at least a very long cut, a backroll you typically only have to cut out 50% and come in on a gradually increasing edge.
but you look like you have it, it just takes time to get the feel of how hard to throw it. in that video you **slightly** under rotated, just in the sense the board wasnt back to directly below you. you could either tuck in to roll faster, or pre-load more at the wake when throwing it to get more time in the air. but in either case, line tension is key so hold on!
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PostPosted: May 05, 2011 6:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

erikneufeld wrote:
Also thats a pretty agressive approach for a backroll, at least a very long cut, a backroll you typically only have to cut out 50% and come in on a gradually increasing edge.



This is what you're problem is. You really need to work on your progressive edge. Don't sit that far outside the wake for so long. Start at the base of the wake, edge out on your toes, flatten out, and when the boat naturally starts to make you drift back towards the wake, begin a light edge and build it until you hit the wake.
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PostPosted: May 05, 2011 7:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's what I think about when throwing a back roll. Cut out just like out would on a w2w. Make your edge progressively harder until you get to the wake. Cut through the wake (like perpendicular to the wake) and focus on pushing down hard with your feet to get nice vertical pop. Keep the rope in tight and keep BOTH HANDS ON THE HANDLE at all times. This will speed up your rotation a bit and you will have much more ability to dig out the landing until you get comfortable knowing when you are going to hit the water. Also, keep your eyes open and try to spot your landing early. That is by the hardest thing for me to do when learning an invert. If you don't spot your landing it's like doing a back flip on a tramp and keeping your eyes closed. Yeah, you can do it by feel, but it's sketchy as hell.
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PostPosted: May 05, 2011 8:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

GnarShredd wrote:
erikneufeld wrote:
Also thats a pretty agressive approach for a backroll, at least a very long cut, a backroll you typically only have to cut out 50% and come in on a gradually increasing edge.



This is what you're problem is. You really need to work on your progressive edge. Don't sit that far outside the wake for so long. Start at the base of the wake, edge out on your toes, flatten out, and when the boat naturally starts to make you drift back towards the wake, begin a light edge and build it until you hit the wake.


Yeah I usually dont take that long to cut back in. It was really windy and the wake was chopped out plus I think we had just passed a boat. I was waiting for the wake to look pretty lol but yeah I def realize I cut out too far...I do it on wake to wake or anything im doing...most ppl I ride with say they never see a girl go so hard but I like getting as much speed and pop as possible but I will try to not go so far if it will help the backroll
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PostPosted: May 05, 2011 8:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chattwake wrote:
Here's what I think about when throwing a back roll. Cut out just like out would on a w2w. Make your edge progressively harder until you get to the wake. Cut through the wake (like perpendicular to the wake) and focus on pushing down hard with your feet to get nice vertical pop. Keep the rope in tight and keep BOTH HANDS ON THE HANDLE at all times. This will speed up your rotation a bit and you will have much more ability to dig out the landing until you get comfortable knowing when you are going to hit the water. Also, keep your eyes open and try to spot your landing early. That is by the hardest thing for me to do when learning an invert. If you don't spot your landing it's like doing a back flip on a tramp and keeping your eyes closed. Yeah, you can do it by feel, but it's sketchy as hell.


Def agree spotting the landing is the hardest part for me too! I get "lost" in the air alot. I blame part on ADD lol but when I focus real hard and remind myself to look is when ive come the closest to landing it
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PostPosted: May 05, 2011 8:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for yalls feedback Smile
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PostPosted: May 05, 2011 10:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dont get us wrong, You can still edge kind of hard if you want to, but it's not necessary and can sometimes make this trick a little more difficult. As long as you're using a progressive edge instead of a hard edge the whole time, you'll be a-ok!
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PostPosted: May 05, 2011 1:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

GnarShredd wrote:
Dont get us wrong, You can still edge kind of hard if you want to, but it's not necessary and can sometimes make this trick a little more difficult. As long as you're using a progressive edge instead of a hard edge the whole time, you'll be a-ok!


Sorry i havent been ridin long and dont know the terminology. so I shouldnt be edging out as far and when im going back into the wake I shouldnt be going as straight into it?
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PostPosted: May 06, 2011 4:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You need to buy "The Book" dvd set. It will explain everything.
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PostPosted: May 06, 2011 4:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Or you need to get a learnwake.com account and study the video, Perfect HeelSide Setup.
You will learn how to coast in the flats and let the boat pull you back in to start your edge instead of forcing the turn like you did in the video. You pretty much went into a butter slide for a second during your cut back in.
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PostPosted: May 06, 2011 5:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chattwake wrote:
You need to buy "The Book" dvd set. It will explain everything.


If you can, definitely pick that up. You really should know the basics before hucking inverts. Not saying you can't do them (especially since you're really close already), but it's better to learn things right than to develop bad habits and a proper progressive edge is the #1 thing you should learn correctly from the beginning IMO.
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PostPosted: May 06, 2011 6:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

GnarShredd wrote:
a proper progressive edge is the #1 thing you should learn correctly from the beginning IMO.


Couldn't agree more; if you watch everyone who rides well, like GnarShredd, or the guys on the tour, they all do one thing the same... Their edging or progressive edge.

After that you could do a lot of either half ass or bad things and 'get away with it' but yet still be about to ride well. Everyone rides different, its what works best for you or what you can make work for you.


Or when in doubt, haul ass and close your eyes!
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PostPosted: May 06, 2011 12:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sweet i'll check it out. Hope yall get some water time this weekend! Its hot as hell here so I cant wait to get wet!
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PostPosted: May 07, 2011 1:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here is what you need to change. This trick is more of a pop straight up with slow rotation vs the scream across the wake and hucking the rotation.


Slow down your approch to the wake by more than 50%. You do not need to scream into the wake that fast. You do however need to load the line much harder at the wake and take it up. You need to practice this approch on w2w jumps before you go any further. Pull out only to the spray line, flatten the board and load the line hard all the way thru the wake. Get this down first.

Now for the roll. Keep your handle at front hip after you leave the wake. you are letting go with your back hand too soon. You must learn handle control. Now that being said concentrate on riding all the way up the wake and getting a good strong pop and just do the roll nice and slow.

Hopes this helps

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PostPosted: May 09, 2011 9:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

h2obug wrote:
Here is what you need to change. This trick is more of a pop straight up with slow rotation vs the scream across the wake and hucking the rotation.


Slow down your approch to the wake by more than 50%. You do not need to scream into the wake that fast. You do however need to load the line much harder at the wake and take it up. You need to practice this approch on w2w jumps before you go any further. Pull out only to the spray line, flatten the board and load the line hard all the way thru the wake. Get this down first.

Now for the roll. Keep your handle at front hip after you leave the wake. you are letting go with your back hand too soon. You must learn handle control. Now that being said concentrate on riding all the way up the wake and getting a good strong pop and just do the roll nice and slow.

Hopes this helps



Yes it does! Thanks
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