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PostPosted: May 05, 2011 11:55 am    Post subject: Switch to kneeboarding? Reply with quote

Hello all, new member here in search of some help. I've always wakeboarded/wakesurfed. My girlfriend decided to try wakesurfing and became frustrated after not being able to get up, and now wants me to buy her a kneeboard instead. She won't wakeboard for fear of broken ankles (don't ask)

That is fine, but if it's as hard or harder than getting up on a wakesurf board, i dont want to wast $$$$ on a board, and room on the racks. I know I won't use it either.

I always thought getting up wakesurfing was easy. The boat does all the work.... it seems like with kneeboarding it would be hard because you gotta pull yourself up, get knees into position and tie the strap. But then i hear people say its a good way to learn and move to wakeboarding.

Anyways, anyone ever do it? And any recommendations on a Straight beginners board? Looking at hydroslide cyclone or obrien voodoo.
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PostPosted: May 05, 2011 12:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

pick one up used for cheap at a garage sale or on craigslist. You really don't want to spend any substantial money on a kneeboard. I'm sure there's tons of em out there collecting dust that people would get rid of for next to nothing.

I can't believe I'm commenting in a kneeboard thread. Try kneeboard forums next time, this isn't the place.
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PostPosted: May 05, 2011 12:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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pick one up used for cheap at a garage sale or on craigslist. You really don't want to spend any substantial money on a kneeboard. I'm sure there's tons of em out there collecting dust that people would get rid of for next to nothing.

I can't believe I'm commenting in a kneeboard thread. Try kneeboard forums next time, this isn't the place.


Yeah i suppose i'll look there. The problem is the kneeboard forums haven't had a response since 2010 Rolling Eyes

I would never ride one, I feel the same way about couches (sit down jet skis). They are really that boring for a girl though?
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PostPosted: May 05, 2011 1:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Yeah i suppose i'll look there. The problem is the kneeboard forums haven't had a response since 2010 Rolling Eyes

Hmmm wonder why that is.....Maybe cause it's BORING Laughing Laughing


When I bought my boat 7 years ago it came with a knee board. I wish I had some video of us trying it Laughing Laughing I never did get up on that damn thing, was funny as hell to watch though, gave it up after a few tries. One of my younger brothers that is 50-60 lbs. lighter then me got it pretty quick. I weigh 230 so maybe your lighter GF can get the hang of it. I sold it on craigslist for 50 bucks a few years ago, you should be able to find a similar deal.

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PostPosted: May 05, 2011 3:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kudos for her wanting to try kneeboarding. I primarily kneeboard, though wakeboard and surf too. Plenty of people going big on kneeboards and throwing big tricks, many are basically the same tricks as wakeboarding. Kneeboarding was around before wakeboarding and isn't a dead sport, though there are fewer of us these days.

Getting up is pretty easy. Everyone I've had out first time has got up after a few tries. Handle in one hand, both elbows on the front of the pad. For beginners especially do a two stage start. First get to not quite planing. As this is happening the rider should put weight on the elbows and hop up on the board, get fully in the pad, and strap in. Some grab the front of the board with one hand. Either way, it should be a quick smooth motion. Once strapped in go ahead and get to riding speed.

As for a board. If she's serious about it look at a HO Agent or Obrien Rush 5150. For a cheaper board to see if she'll be into it, look for a HO Element or Obrien Lowrider, possibly a HO Joker since the Agent just replaced it as their top board. Really any compression molded board will do. Avoid rotomold boards (plastic covered foam), such as the two you mentioned. They have a lot of drag, don't edge well, break easy, and are in general are junk. A compression molded board will be a waste of time and money.

As for kneeboard forums, check out http://www.kneeboardworld.com ... Lots of people there more knowledgeable than I am, also instructions for tricks and other stuff.
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PostPosted: May 05, 2011 4:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Getting up on a surfer indeed is supereasy. Invest 5 minutes in getting her up on it instead of investing in a kneeboard.
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PostPosted: May 05, 2011 4:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh, you can always do a dock or beach start on a kneeboard. Just start strapped in and take off easy. We've done this with kids who were nervous about trying deep starts.
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PostPosted: May 05, 2011 5:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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ryanr623 wrote:

Yeah i suppose i'll look there. The problem is the kneeboard forums haven't had a response since 2010 Rolling Eyes

Hmmm wonder why that is.....Maybe cause it's BORING Laughing Laughing


When I bought my boat 7 years ago it came with a knee board. I wish I had some video of us trying it Laughing Laughing I never did get up on that damn thing, was funny as hell to watch though, gave it up after a few tries. One of my younger brothers that is 50-60 lbs. lighter then me got it pretty quick. I weigh 230 so maybe your lighter GF can get the hang of it. I sold it on craigslist for 50 bucks a few years ago, you should be able to find a similar deal.


I hope so, because I can't find any in the toledo area for cheap, and if she can't get up, this thing is gonna be collecting dust for years... even if it is only two hundred bucks. She really wants a tube but I'm not dragging a fukcing huge ass tube out everytime I go out. I'm thinking the hydroslide cyclone might be my best bet.... it says its really buoyant and fat so its easy to get up.... more like a tube.
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PostPosted: May 05, 2011 5:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Kudos for her wanting to try kneeboarding. I primarily kneeboard, though wakeboard and surf too. Plenty of people going big on kneeboards and throwing big tricks, many are basically the same tricks as wakeboarding. Kneeboarding was around before wakeboarding and isn't a dead sport, though there are fewer of us these days.

Getting up is pretty easy. Everyone I've had out first time has got up after a few tries. Handle in one hand, both elbows on the front of the pad. For beginners especially do a two stage start. First get to not quite planing. As this is happening the rider should put weight on the elbows and hop up on the board, get fully in the pad, and strap in. Some grab the front of the board with one hand. Either way, it should be a quick smooth motion. Once strapped in go ahead and get to riding speed.

As for a board. If she's serious about it look at a HO Agent or Obrien Rush 5150. For a cheaper board to see if she'll be into it, look for a HO Element or Obrien Lowrider, possibly a HO Joker since the Agent just replaced it as their top board. Really any compression molded board will do. Avoid rotomold boards (plastic covered foam), such as the two you mentioned. They have a lot of drag, don't edge well, break easy, and are in general are junk. A compression molded board will be a waste of time and money.

As for kneeboard forums, check out http://www.kneeboardworld.com ... Lots of people there more knowledgeable than I am, also instructions for tricks and other stuff.


Wow, thanks for the response. I'm not too concerned about her being able to do tricks... I just want her to be able to get up easy and have a stable ride.... sounds like rotomold is the way to go since its more buoyant?

See she always wants to go on the boat, but then she just sits there and watches my friends and I surf/wakeboard.... she wants to do something, and she's too scared too wakeboard. Like I said, she really wants a tube, but I'm not hauling that big thing around everytime we go out. What kneeboard is most like a tube.... ie easy to get up on? Any help would be much appreciated... I haven't ever thought of kneeboarding for myself, so I don't know which ones are beginners boards, and what to look for
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PostPosted: May 05, 2011 6:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not sure if you have them in your area, but I bought a kneeboard at Play It Again Sports, which is a sports store that sells used equipment. I skied and knee boarded as a kid all the time as my grandparents lived on the lake. After being off the water for about 15 years I bought a 86 ski nautique and was looking for something a little easier than my slalom ski to ride. I find a cheap used kneeboard, buy it, ride it once, buy a wakeboard because kneeboarding is way harder than when I was 12. And the kneeboard has been in my garage since. It was much more difficult for me to get up on as an adult than as a child. Since I have the wakeboard, I will not ride the kneeboard again. I would be glad to get it out of my garage and send it to you if you are willing to pay to have it shipped. It is not a super nice board, but in good used condition and definitely good enough to try to see if she will even ride it. If she likes it, you will definitely want to get a better one. By the way, tell your girlfriend to just go ahead and wakeboard. One ride and she will Bo hooked. I am a female too and love wake boarding.
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PostPosted: May 05, 2011 6:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

lol kneeboards ;P
they are actually really fun and really easy (its been years since i touched one but we used to go wake to wake my and friend could W2W roll it.)
but if you go to academy, you can get a very cheap very bouyant one for mabey 100$. and many newer ones come with the "aqua-hook" which allows you to attatch the ski handle to the front of the board untill you are up and in then you can grab the handle out and ride so it makes it just effortless to get up.
And they actually are a lot of fun to just go out and Surface"3" and occasionally W2W if your back is up to the abuse, but depending on how light she is it could be very frustrating on even moderatly rough water, with lighter riders they begin to bounce and unless you lean forward(very unnatural) it will not stop and makes it no fun.
also there is NO GOOD WAY TO FALL on a kneeboard, when you fall it will probably hurt. and then you are still strapped in and usually upside down... a scary thought, so when teaching her go easy on the strap and tow slower. mabey 18-20mph

I think its a good idea, she'll enjoy it and then she'll have her own thing when you guys go out instead of being the worst boarder.
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PostPosted: May 05, 2011 7:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know you said not to ask.. but break her ankles? You need to get a girl that isn't an anorexic twig AND you need to make sure she drinks milk from time to time. OOOOR (assuming she's intelligent) you could explain how a properly fitted binding will actually *prevent* her ankle from breaking... (and here's where her intelligence comes in) she agrees it's a non-issue.

IMO you don't have a gear issue. You've got a lady problem Very Happy

I mean if she really wants to try it because it looks like fun, that's fine. Nothing against kneeboarding. But to be afraid of wakeboarding out of fear of breaking ankles?

jeeeze.

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PostPosted: May 06, 2011 4:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I know you said not to ask.. but break her ankles? You need to get a girl that isn't an anorexic twig AND you need to make sure she drinks milk from time to time. OOOOR (assuming she's intelligent) you could explain how a properly fitted binding will actually *prevent* her ankle from breaking... (and here's where her intelligence comes in) she agrees it's a non-issue.

IMO you don't have a gear issue. You've got a lady problem Very Happy

I mean if she really wants to try it because it looks like fun, that's fine. Nothing against kneeboarding. But to be afraid of wakeboarding out of fear of breaking ankles?

jeeeze.


She's just scared to fall. She uses that excuse because she does fitness competitions (figure, NOT bodybuilding) and she can't afford to not train if she broke her ankles, even if it is a remote chance. She knows i can't argue with that, so, all in all, pretty smart excuse (intelligence). Wakesurfing you go a lot slower, so she was willing to try, just got frustrated.

I think i'm just gonna tell her to tough it out on the wakesurfing if i can't find one cheap.
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PostPosted: May 06, 2011 8:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

We started with a kneeboard. It was a Hydroslide, but I'm not remembering the model at the moment. It had the hook up front for the handle and also had retractable fins. It was super easy to get up on and a lot of fun. It bothered my knees and back, and we transitioned to wakeboarding, so we got rid of it. I'm sure if you look around enough you can find one for under $100.
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PostPosted: May 06, 2011 8:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Okie Boarder wrote:
We started with a kneeboard. It was a Hydroslide, but I'm not remembering the model at the moment. It had the hook up front for the handle and also had retractable fins. It was super easy to get up on and a lot of fun. It bothered my knees and back, and we transitioned to wakeboarding, so we got rid of it. I'm sure if you look around enough you can find one for under $100.


The hydroslide cyclone is $92 with free shipping. Hopefully it's a beginners board. It has the hook thing so I think she'll be fine. Thanks everyone!
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PostPosted: May 06, 2011 9:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just bought a new Obrien kneeboard for my watersports business. It was about $130. Most newer kneeboards seem to have a hook of some sort on the front. The rider places the handle in the hook until the board is on plane, then straps in and picks up the handle. It is super easy. So far we've used the kneeboard for everyone from a 60 lb kid to a 250 lb man and all of them have gotten up with no problem.

Its funny because I've ridden it a couple of times now and the abuse my knees take is way more painful than riding around on a wakeboard...except of course for all those broken ankles. Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy

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PostPosted: May 06, 2011 9:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

HHI Dave wrote:
I just bought a new Obrien kneeboard for my watersports business. It was about $130. Most newer kneeboards seem to have a hook of some sort on the front. The rider places the handle in the hook until the board is on plane, then straps in and picks up the handle. It is super easy. So far we've used the kneeboard for everyone from a 60 lb kid to a 250 lb man and all of them have gotten up with no problem.

Its funny because I've ridden it a couple of times now and the abuse my knees take is way more painful than riding around on a wakeboard...except of course for all those broken ankles. Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy


Ha ha, luckily she's only 24 so she can take the abuse. What obrien model was it?
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PostPosted: May 06, 2011 11:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

HHI Dave wrote:
Its funny because I've ridden it a couple of times now and the abuse my knees take is way more painful than riding around on a wakeboard...except of course for all those broken ankles. Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy


I've found kneeboarding my knees take no abuse, never felt them sore or strained. It's all my back that takes the abuse, and it sure can hurt. Landing out in the flats gives a hard impact and some bouncing. Just part of kneeboarding though.

Some guys will ride on a slalom buoy partially inflated between the feet and butt to cushion the impact.
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PostPosted: May 06, 2011 2:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Did anyone actually go to http://www.kneeboardworld.com/
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PostPosted: May 07, 2011 3:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I use my kneeboard all the time. To float beers and chips on.
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GnarShredd wrote:


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ryanr623 wrote:
What obrien model was it?


Whatever one West Marine had on the shelf at the time. Laughing Like I said, I bought it for pulling tourists around the creek. Though I did give it a test ride, it won't be cutting into any of my boarding time. Laughing Cool

EDIT: I just went and looked at it. Its the Eclipse. Is that good? Smile
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Can we get this moved to non-wake, mods?
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PostPosted: May 09, 2011 7:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If she won't wakeboard and can't get up on a wakesurfer, it's not worth the effort. Tell her to sit up front, look pretty, and distribute beers. She sounds like a whiny B. If she wants to spend time on her knees give her a better activity to do.

Getting up on a kneeboard isn't much easier than getting up on a wakesurfer. Just tell her to lay on the surfer and get up like you would on a kneeboard. She can then work toward standing up or just riding around. She doesn't sound like she's going to enjoy it anyway.

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PostPosted: May 09, 2011 10:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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