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Big House Football Newbie

Joined: 28 Mar 2011 Posts: 14
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Posted: Apr 03, 2011 1:39 pm Post subject: Looking for advice on wake tower speakers. |
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Just traded a '89 Malibu for an '05 Moomba Outback. Boat came with a wake tower. IThe tubes are H20 Pro X-plod and appear to have Rockford Phosgate 5.25 rounds in the front and back of the tube. On the interior, the boad has a total of 6 speakers.....they appear to be 6.5 rounds.
The head unit is a Kenwood KDC-225 MR. The amp is a JBL Marine....not sure of the model # or the power. I am assuming that it is a 2 channel amp. Also assuming that the amp is pushing the wake tower speakers and the Kenwood head unit is pushing the 6 interior speakers.
Need advice on a couple of items. I want to upgrade the speakers on the wake tower. Want something that will throw amazing loud sound....with good bass response and with clarity. Should I replace the Rockford Phosgate (4) 5.25 rounds with something else, or leave them in place and simply add two more wake tower speakers to supplement them?
What wake tower speakers can anyone recommend with great sound....loud sound....full sound?
Thinking of adding second amp (assuming the existing amp is a two channel) if I were to add 2 additional speakers. Or, if I were simply to replace the existing speakers, perhaps I could run them off the existing JBL Marine amp.
Any advice on wake tower speakers would be appreciated. My price range is $600-$1,000 for two new wake tower speakers......but I am looking for something that cranks.
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Sethjoe Newbie

Joined: 20 Feb 2011 Posts: 23
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Posted: Apr 03, 2011 1:48 pm Post subject: |
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| You can't beat wetsounds. A pair of pro 80's will run you about a grand.
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Big House Football Newbie

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Posted: Apr 03, 2011 2:39 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for the quick response. I will go to their website and check out the pro 80's. Would you recommend replacing the existing tower speakers, or leaving them in place and adding two additional?
Thanks again.
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JRW160 Soul Rider


Joined: 03 Aug 2006 Posts: 367 City: Huntsville
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Posted: Apr 03, 2011 3:25 pm Post subject: |
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| Wetsounds all the way. Just replace your existing tower speakers.
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Okie Boarder Ladies Man


Joined: 03 Mar 2008 Posts: 10056 City: Edmond
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Posted: Apr 04, 2011 6:46 am Post subject: |
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You can pretty much go with any HLCD style speaker. There are quite a few out there now. All of them will throw the sound loud and clear to the end of the rope. What brand you end up getting can boil down to personal preference and budget.
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Big House Football Newbie

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Posted: Apr 04, 2011 7:03 am Post subject: |
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What does HLCD stand for?
Also, anyone familiar wit hthe Boss Audio New Rocker? Appear to list for about $600.
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Okie Boarder Ladies Man


Joined: 03 Mar 2008 Posts: 10056 City: Edmond
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Posted: Apr 04, 2011 7:12 am Post subject: |
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Horn Loaded Compression Driver
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anw7405 Outlaw

Joined: 10 Sep 2010 Posts: 188 City: edmond
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Posted: Apr 04, 2011 9:02 am Post subject: exile |
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http://www.exilecaraudio.com/products/xm7/
If it were my money to spend, this is what i would get. There are no wires, the speakers can spin 360, and they are a true quick diconnect. I wouldn't say wet sounds are better or exile, but both are on par with each other. The features are just better with exile in my opinion. They usually run about 800-900 for a pair.
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TnR6Rida Wakeboarder.com Freak


Joined: 11 Mar 2008 Posts: 4905 City: West TN
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Posted: Apr 04, 2011 10:50 am Post subject: |
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I didn't read any of what anyone or what you said in your original post, because there is only one option when it comes to tower speakers.
WETSOUNDS!!
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M`honri Newbie

Joined: 23 Jan 2011 Posts: 21 City: Farr West
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Posted: Apr 05, 2011 6:01 pm Post subject: |
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Copy that on the WETSOUNDS!
I just put a pair of Pro 485's on my tower and HOLY CRAP MAN!!!!
I think it will literally blow your swim suit off!! No joke!!
I am very satisfied by the way
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Chattwake Wakeboarder.com Freak


Joined: 01 Jul 2005 Posts: 4064 City: Chattanooga
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Posted: Apr 05, 2011 7:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Exile does not make a speaker that compares with a 485.
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anw7405 Outlaw

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Posted: Apr 06, 2011 7:18 am Post subject: |
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| Wow. I did not know the 485 was only $899! I thought that thing cost about $1300. I don't think the exile's would compare to the 485. I demoed the exile and the pro 80 side by side and i could hear no difference, but the 485 is the baddest mofo on the market right now. I think my decison has changed. If it were my grand to spend i would get a 485!
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Chattwake Wakeboarder.com Freak


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Posted: Apr 06, 2011 7:53 am Post subject: |
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| You may be able to get that 485 cheaper through your dealers as well. Never hurts to ask.
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Big House Football Newbie

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Posted: Apr 06, 2011 2:46 pm Post subject: |
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| How do pro 485's compare to pro 80's? Which of the two is the better speaker?
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M`honri Newbie

Joined: 23 Jan 2011 Posts: 21 City: Farr West
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Posted: Apr 06, 2011 4:34 pm Post subject: |
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One Pro 485 is like having two Pro 80's only twice as loud and clear with the way bigger center megaphone it has. It really hucks the sound LOUD and CLEAR... That is why I went with a pair of Pro 485's Audio Extreme told me Two Pro 485's is comparable only to six to eight pro 80's. "Nothing less and noone else even comes close!"
You can't believe a pair of these these things, you can hear them a mile away on the lake.
Oh yeah, by the way, you get the best deal on these speakers at "the boat show" so find out if there is going to be one near you and go. I paid $1800/pair and they were selling for $1400/pair at the boat show. They are sooooo worth the $1800/pair that I didn't even care!
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V8 Killer Outlaw

Joined: 08 Jul 2008 Posts: 207 City: Bridgeport
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Posted: Apr 06, 2011 10:28 pm Post subject: |
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I'll let you guess where my vote goes. Here's my install on my 2006 X-Star. Now I have the same setup on my 2010 X-Star, just no new pics uploaded.
A single 485 has more sound out of it than 4 Pro 80's. If you budget if $1,000 or less, the pair of Pro 80's will rock your world. But if you have extra money, a single 485 would be my recommendation.
However, the single most important key is to provide it with ample, clean power. I'm running 4,300 watts of JL amps in my boat to feed all my speakers. If you short your Wetsounds clean and ample power then they won't perform as advertised.
Best of luck!
Dusty
P.S. - I'm actually selling my entire setup to replace it with all brand new Wetsounds. If anyone is interested in anything on my tower just contact me.
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tprkolbas Outlaw


Joined: 30 Dec 2005 Posts: 184 City: white lake
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Posted: Apr 07, 2011 6:48 am Post subject: |
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i have a pair of pro 80's and mb-8's hanging from my moomba tower. they are so frickin' loud it is ridiculous. just make sure they have a good amp to power them - one separate from your interior speakers.
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tprkolbas Outlaw


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Posted: Apr 07, 2011 7:03 am Post subject: |
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also, just as an fyi - the pro 80's are pretty big and hang low off a moomba tower. a lot of peeps bang their heads on mine, including me

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mseller Outlaw

Joined: 05 May 2010 Posts: 220 City: Charleston
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Posted: Apr 07, 2011 7:35 am Post subject: |
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sorry to bridge off this topic..I'm lookin to make my four JL Audio M770 speakers rated at 100W RMS louder...Right now they are powered by a JL M4300 amp and are getting 45W each. Would it be louder if I disconnected 2 of the speakers and bridged the channels to get 100W to 2 speakers?
i.e. What's Louder? 4 speakers w/ 45 watts each or 2 speakers w/ 100 watts each?
or do I just need to pony up and get an amp that does 4x100 watts?
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holdsworth PityDaFool Who Posts This Much

Joined: 01 May 2003 Posts: 5333 City: Knoxville
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Posted: Apr 07, 2011 8:05 am Post subject: |
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JL Audio... 'nuff said.
JL now sponsors our club and hooked us up with all new JL stuff. The four tower speakers they sent us sound sick... crystal clear, as loud as you want. Plus they look bomb. Clamps are pretty nifty too... allows full 360 degree rotation. Just loosen the screw, take it out, pull down speaker, rotate, push the speaker back up, and re-tighten the screw.
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V8 Killer Outlaw

Joined: 08 Jul 2008 Posts: 207 City: Bridgeport
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Posted: Apr 07, 2011 9:04 am Post subject: |
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| mseller wrote: | sorry to bridge off this topic..I'm lookin to make my four JL Audio M770 speakers rated at 100W RMS louder...Right now they are powered by a JL M4300 amp and are getting 45W each. Would it be louder if I disconnected 2 of the speakers and bridged the channels to get 100W to 2 speakers?
i.e. What's Louder? 4 speakers w/ 45 watts each or 2 speakers w/ 100 watts each?
or do I just need to pony up and get an amp that does 4x100 watts? |
To answer your first question, 2 x 100W will be louder and more important CLEANER. It will get rid of your distortion issues. Same with any JL (or other high quality) interior speakers. If they distort when turned up, its because they are underpowered.
To answer your second question, YES you need to pony up and get a 4x100 amp. Stick with JL would be my advice, but definitely don't get an off-brand if you move away from JL.
Best,
Dusty
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mseller Outlaw

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Posted: Apr 08, 2011 6:59 am Post subject: |
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| V8 Killer wrote: | | To answer your second question, YES you need to pony up and get a 4x100 amp. Stick with JL would be my advice, but definitely don't get an off-brand if you move away from JL. |
Just bought a JL MHD600/4 for $579. Looking forward to installing it when it come in
Do you think this will give too much power to the M770's?? or will i be fine if I just adjust the input voltage sensitivity?
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V8 Killer Outlaw

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Posted: Apr 08, 2011 9:13 am Post subject: |
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| mseller wrote: |
Just bought a JL MHD600/4 for $579. Looking forward to installing it when it come in
Do you think this will give too much power to the M770's?? or will i be fine if I just adjust the input voltage sensitivity? |
Congrats on your purchase, you're going to love the way your 770's will sound now compared to before!
Yes, this new amp can easily overpower your 770's. The thing with JL is if it says its 150W/Channel RMS then you can count on it actually giving you 150W continuous.
So make sure to adjust accordingly so you aren't posting up about needing 4 new speakers in a couple of weeks!
Dusty
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mseller Outlaw

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Posted: Apr 08, 2011 1:21 pm Post subject: |
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| What's the best way to measure power out on the amp? I know I can measure voltage w voltmeter but not sure best way to get current...
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Poison Newbie

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Posted: Apr 08, 2011 3:06 pm Post subject: |
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Voltage = Current x Resistance
If you know the voltage and the speaker impedance, then you know the current.
Any modern multimeter will do current as well as voltage and resistance. You probably don't have a "voltmeter" unless you work in a physics lab.
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mseller Outlaw

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Posted: Apr 08, 2011 3:09 pm Post subject: |
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Damnit I'm an electrical engineer too I shoulda known that!
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Poison Newbie

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Posted: Apr 08, 2011 3:11 pm Post subject: |
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| Haha no worries. I have an engineering degree but had to ask a kid down the road with a hatchback stereo system that sounds like someone is stuck in the trunk about putting a new amp in my boat.
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Stazi Newbie

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Posted: Aug 06, 2011 7:34 pm Post subject: |
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| tprkolbas wrote: | | also, just as an fyi - the pro 80's are pretty big and hang low off a moomba tower. a lot of peeps bang their heads on mine, including me |
Union Lake? You don't live on Farrant do you? That boat looks familiar.
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