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Neognosis
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 Posted: Sep 27, 2010 4:51 am Post subject: Police misuse of power??? or....idk. |
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http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/local/south_bay&id=7681824
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| Quote: | SAN JOSE, CA (KGO) -- A San Jose police officer who staged a fake arrest is in very real trouble. He did it apparently to put a little parental fear into his step-daughter's boyfriend.
This is causing some embarrassment on both sides. For police, it's an internal issue that's now in the public eye and it questions the parenting skills applied when two minors are caught having sex.
According to the San Jose Mercury News, this all started when a San Jose motorcycle cop, who's the step-father of a 14-year-old girl, decided to scare the girl's 15-year-old boyfriend to keep him from having sex with her.
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link: Mercury News: Parents: San Jose cop pretends to arrest son for having sex with officer's stepdaughter
According to the boy's parents, the officer pulled up to their house in full uniform, told the boy he was going to arrest him for sexual assault and threw the cuffs on him.
He later took the cuffs off and left with a warning, but the boy's parents complained, claiming the officer abused his power.
ABC7 legal analyst Dean Johnson says while the officer actually had the authority to arrest the boy for statutory rape, this is a gray area.
"If it's not technically a crime, if it's not say assault under color of authority, at the very least it was an unwise move. Any time a police officer is personally involved in the case where a relative or close friend is a complaining witness or a party to the case in any way, the best practice would be for the police officer to refer it to another investigator," said Johnson.
After the parents complained, police arrested the boy for real and charged him with having unlawful sex with a minor.
The Mercury News also reports that the officer's step-daughter was also cited for having sex with a minor.
Tuesday night, the officer's lawyer Terry Bowman said, "The officer was essentially invited to use 'scare straight' tactics and there were no objections to the lecture or the handcuffing. Everything was done in the spirit of reaching a troubled young man who is heading down the wrong path."
The identities of the adults are being withheld to protect the identities of the minors.
Meanwhile, prosecutors are looking into the possibility of charging the officer with false imprisonment. |
I think that is horrible. That's a very good way to mess two kids up for life.
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joebananas
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| Posted: Sep 27, 2010 5:26 am Post subject: |
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After the parents complained, police arrested the boy for real and charged him with having unlawful sex with a minor.
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Nice work by the parents to complain.
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Mercury News: Parents: San Jose cop pretends to arrest son for having sex with officer's stepdaughter
According to the boy's parents, the officer pulled up to their house in full uniform, told the boy he was going to arrest him for sexual assault and threw the cuffs on him.
He later took the cuffs off and left with a warning, but the boy's parents complained, claiming the officer abused his power.
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shouldve lef it at the warning and had a serious converation with their son. I wonder if these are the types of parents that want to be the kids buddy rather than parents? |
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Wakebrad
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| Posted: Sep 27, 2010 5:46 am Post subject: |
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Wait, it's illegal for a 15 year old to have sex with a 14 year old?
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E.J.
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| Posted: Sep 27, 2010 6:03 am Post subject: |
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| Wakebrad wrote: | | Wait, it's illegal for a 15 year old to have sex with a 14 year old? |
My initial reaction as well?
| cameraboy wrote: | | I think that is horrible. That's a very good way to mess two kids up for life. |
Horrible....messed up for life??? If these kids get messed up for life over this, well...tough luck....  I hope I have raised/am raising kids that have a little more backbone than that.... |
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E.J.
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| Posted: Sep 27, 2010 6:13 am Post subject: |
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Oh, and agree with Joe Bananas on this. These parents are douches as well IMO.
I had a bad experience at the age of 15 with a situation like this. No police officer involved, but a very angry father. He sat me down, with my parents and basically told me that he would hurt me if I ever used this situation against his daughter. It was pretty much….keep your phuckin mouth shut about this & stay away from my daughter.
My dad, who is a beast, sat and listened, didn’t say a word. I assume to this day, he thought the same damn thing and if this would have been switched, being one of his two daughters, he may have already taken it further.
Long story short, he did not complain or say you will not talk with my son like that bla…bla…bla…
Of course this dad could have maybe handled this better. He probably shouldn't be using his position as a police officer to take care of personal business. But in the grand scheme of things....Christ we have become a society of pu$$ies that complain about the smallest little things. |
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Neognosis
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| Posted: Sep 27, 2010 7:12 am Post subject: |
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Horrible....messed up for life??? If these kids get messed up for life over this, well...tough luck.... I hope I have raised/am raising kids that have a little more backbone than that....
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Yea, the chances are slim that these kids have any kind of healthy outlook about sex even into adulthood now.
I don't think that a police officer pretending to arrest a kid isn't "the smallest little thing."
And now the police officer's daughter is charged with a sex crime too.. congratulations, douchebags. A conversation would have sufficed, first with the parents, then with the kids. But no, this cop wanted to throw his weight around and be a tough guy...
At the VERY least, he should have spoken to the parents.
That's how I feel about it, anyway.
A man's home and family is sacrosanct, and you don't come into a man's home and disrupt his family like that. You don't make a man feel helpless to protect his child in his own home like that.
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E.J.
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| Posted: Sep 27, 2010 7:30 am Post subject: |
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Bla...bla...bla.... His son was pounding the offending fathers daughter... In light of this, he gets A LOT of latitude....
Again, if these kids are messed up over this....tough luck, raise tougher kids...
That is how I feel about it.
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Neognosis
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| Posted: Sep 27, 2010 7:35 am Post subject: |
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Bla...bla...bla.... His son was pounding the offending fathers daughter... In light of this, he gets A LOT of latitude....
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No. The boy is 15, the girl is 14. He was not raping her. (though I think it's technically statutory???) that doesn't give him the right to intimidate another man in his own home and threaten his kids. All the while hiding behind his badge.
I have a 2 year old son. In 13 years, if he makes the mistake of getting involved in a sexual relationship with a 14 year old girl, or ANYONE, I expect, out of courtesy, for the parents to contact me and for all of us to have a rational and calm talk about the situation. You don't come into my home and dominate my family like that.
You really don't see how shaming two kids for doing something that is, after all, natural and causing a lot of embarassment over this could damage their sexuality? Really? Ok then. I disagree. i think an incident like this will F a person up for a long time. It has nothing to do with being "tough." Tough kids will just hide the damage better.
That is how I feel about it.
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joebananas
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| Posted: Sep 27, 2010 7:39 am Post subject: |
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ABC7 legal analyst Dean Johnson says while the officer actually had the authority to arrest the boy for statutory rape, this is a gray area.
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CB, did you miss this?
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. You don't come into my home and dominate my family like that.
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???? are we talking about the police officer scaring a 15 yr old horny kid or a freakin home invasion? |
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E.J.
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| Posted: Sep 27, 2010 7:42 am Post subject: |
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| cameraboy wrote: | | Quote: |
Bla...bla...bla.... His son was pounding the offending fathers daughter... In light of this, he gets A LOT of latitude....
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No. The boy is 15, the girl is 14. He was not raping her. (though I think it's technically statutory???) that doesn't give him the right to intimidate another man in his own home and threaten his kids. All the while hiding behind his badge.
I have a 2 year old son. In 13 years, if he makes the mistake of getting involved in a sexual relationship with a 14 year old girl, or ANYONE, I expect, out of courtesy, for the parents to contact me and for all of us to have a rational and calm talk about the situation. You don't come into my home and dominate my family like that.
You really don't see how shaming two kids for doing something that is, after all, natural and causing a lot of embarassment over this could damage their sexuality? Really? Ok then. I disagree. i think an incident like this will F a person up for a long time. It has nothing to do with being "tough." Tough kids will just hide the damage better.
That is how I feel about it. |
Did I say that he was raping her??? WTF don't you understand about a father not wanting some 15 year old kid pounding his daughter.... 
Hide the damage better.... Whatever.... |
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| Posted: Sep 27, 2010 7:52 am Post subject: |
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| cameraboy wrote: | | I expect, out of courtesy, for the parents to contact me and for all of us to have a rational and calm talk about the situation. |
let me know how that works out for you. |
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| Posted: Sep 27, 2010 7:55 am Post subject: |
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I'm phucking confused. This article is written HORRIBLY.
Did the girl's mother or biological father file a complaint with the police station, or did the step-father find out privately? It sounds like there was a real complaint filed by police before the incident (they kept referring to it as an actual case), and the step-dad didn't do the proper thing and take himself off a case where he's personally conflicted. But it sounds like police would have showed up in some form anyway.
Obviously, the mature, responsible thing would have been to all get together--parents and kids--and let them know in no uncertain terms that sex at their age isn't acceptable. But they aren't the first parents to handle their kids having sex poorly and surely won't be the last.
As a police officer, he messed up--and should be punished accordingly--but I can't fault a man for putting his family above all else (as he should). I don't have a 14 year old daughter; if I ever do, lord help the idiot dumb enough to have sex with her.
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Neognosis
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| Posted: Sep 27, 2010 8:53 am Post subject: |
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CB, did you miss this?
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Nope, I didn't miss that. He also has the duty to arrest his own daughter if the boy's parent's complained. Which they then did, now she's under arrest too. congratulations cop, well done. I guess people don't like being intimadated by a badge in their own home with their own child.
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?? are we talking about the police officer scaring a 15 yr old horny kid or a freakin home invasion?
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If the cop did not talk to the father of the boy first and had an agreement to do this, then it IS a home invasion, in my opinion. He didn't scare a horney kid, he came into another man's home, made him sit there, cuffed his child, and intimated the family.
Instead of talking to the father and everyone talking to their kids together.
JV, here's the timeline, as I understand it, from that article and the news and other sources:
15 year old dates 14 year old girl
they start banging
the girl's step father finds out. He is a cop
the cop step father goes to the boy's house, makes his father sit down and watch this, (the boy's father recorded it on his cell phone) while he "arrests" the kid and tells him he is going to be charged with sex crimes.
Then he lets him go.
The parents of the boy file a complaint.
This results in charges against the girl too, because apparently the law there is so f'ed up that two underage kids having sex is a crime on both parties.
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Obviously, the mature, responsible thing would have been to all get together--parents and kids--and let them know in no uncertain terms that sex at their age isn't acceptable.
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As a police officer, he messed up--and should be punished accordingly--but I can't fault a man for putting his family above all else (as he should).
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Not when you wear a badge. If you make the choice to put your ego above your duty, then you should face the consequences. he didnt' "put his family" ahead of his duty... he could have talked to the father of the boy first, and this could have been done without a badge being involved at all.
Let's not forget, this boy is FIFTEEN. Not 21, not 19, not even 18. he's a child himself. MONTHS apart from the girl.
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| Posted: Sep 27, 2010 9:33 am Post subject: |
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What a epic waste of taxpayer time and money.
Is anyone shocked that a 14 and 15 year old were doing this?
Should the father/cop be held accountable? Probably
Should the kids be prosecuted? I don't think so.
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JV
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| Posted: Sep 27, 2010 9:44 am Post subject: |
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If I ever have a daughter, I'm going to do things the right way: when she's 12, I'm going to attempt to rob a bank by throwing my own feces at the tellers and security guards, serve my 2 years in jail, get a neck tattoo or 7, and every punk high school jock will know me as Megan's crazy ass father and good sense will tell them to keep their dirty little hands off.
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Neognosis
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| Posted: Sep 27, 2010 10:13 am Post subject: |
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Sounds like a good plan.
I don't think it is going to help much though.
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JV
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| Posted: Sep 27, 2010 10:30 am Post subject: |
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Still beats having to talk to her.
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Neognosis
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| Posted: Sep 27, 2010 11:01 am Post subject: |
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I guess the best you can hope for is that your kid is hella ugly until she turns 18 and goes to college.
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| guys, i'm telling you. gymnastics academy. |
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JV
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| Posted: Sep 27, 2010 12:15 pm Post subject: |
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| cameraboy wrote: | | I guess the best you can hope for is that your kid is hella ugly until she turns 18 and goes to college. |
One can only hope...
I might marry a 3 just to make sure the ugly is so firmly ingrained that not even my Aryan race genes can overcome it.
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| Posted: Oct 02, 2010 8:07 pm Post subject: |
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JV, You sound like me. I will be that scary overprotective father that scares the sh*t out of the little boys. 
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